I see a huge difference in it really. I think my real point here is that, while it's entirely possible and mechanically an even playing field (except for Angkrag) for all orgs to own all villages, there do exists some RP reasons places like Serenwilde, Celest, maybe even Gaudiguch and Hallifax in some cases, would be hesitant to be associated with certain villages, while there's literally no reason Glomdoring or Magnagora wouldn't want to control them all.

And also it makes total sense that we're crushing their spirits through lectures on the evil of cities, reciting poetry, and trying to convince them communal living is great. If we could take over the village by repeatedly beating everything up, that'd be something different.

But this is probably a stupid argument that's been done to death already and isn't going to change anybodies feelings on anything, so yeah.

Oooh, two new places Gaudi won't get, we really need to find allies who will hand us villages

Hallifax is the Borg meets Communist Russia meets the Tau. As long as everyone follows the ideals of the Commonwealth, Hallifax is happy

Pretty sure Celest fought their way in their and grabbed the village on their own for the most part. Viynain and Shuyin were in that village briefly then disappeared. Maaaybe Gaudi just needs to try. There were prominent gooches about, but didn't see any around attempting to influence anywhere.


EDIT:Actually, I just recalled that Halli got it rather than Celest. Still, that's what allies do. And it was a fair enough chance that Celest would've gotten it. I guess Gaudi jumped on the wrong boat.

I would have thought the RP argument would have been that the kephera had been building us all up for some illithoid extermination. That was what we bred the hyfae for. Zenobia even urged us multiple times to gather as many people as we could, as if there was going to be some huge fight. In my mind, the entire point of "winning" this event was to prevent the outbreak of these illithoids that escaped the Prison by killing them.

Edit: And yes, it's no one's fault but Gaudiguch's that they don't even make a showing in villages.

I think the argument at some point moved away from this particular instance and just more in general. If anybody thinks we could have done anything BUT kill the entire village at the end of the event without dropping all RP is being ridiculous.

The last time a revolt happened, that I was around for, we had two influencers, me and Munsia, against Halli/Glom zerg rush in an unpeaced village.

Arix, smaller sig, please?

It's a little inaccurate to suggest that Hallifax only has villages because Glom zergs with them or gives them villages. The last two villages we got were Southgard (where we were actually influencing -against- Glom) and of course Ptoma, where Glom was off doing Ixthiaxa in a different part of the Undervault. I can't speak for Delport.

I didn't say that's the only reason you get villages, I said that last time I participated in a revolt, there were two people against Halli/Glom, and all we could really do was run around and try to cause as much trouble as possible

If Halli can put out more influencers than you with our caste system, you guys have issues.

Delport was 6 of us vs 5 of Glom. They had a few Mags in Stewartsville, so it was probably best for them to just not bother with Delport at all.

I highlighted the one that's wrong, and that seems pretty important. It's why Serenwilde will allow viscanti (but frown at them a lot) but not illithoids.

As a bit of a side note, almost any motivation that applies to a player can apply to a character. I want that village because I want a village works in and of itself. Your player wants the prestige, power, and comms? A highly patriotic character might be more concerned with "winning" than with any potential conflict of interest.

Sure. But you don't just become that all of a sudden. Given years, we could work toward an iron hand Serenwilde that takes Angkrag and Ixthiaxa just to have them and beats their people and so on and so forth. But we're that at the moment.

Certain viewpoints and stances are hard to justify, or maintain. Celest has Methrenton and Terentia. Can you imagine how they'd react to Celest trying to influence Ixthiaxa? And then turn around and -protect- those villagers when they get raided? Or is the suggestion being made that Celest should influence but shouldn't protect? Or should treat them as slave labor?

It's contradictory enough that, like the abovementioned Celestine example, would and should result in bop on the head. I suspect Terentia bops rather hard.

Regarding the village-influence-Hallifax-gets-gifts-from-Glomdoring thing: I'm pretty sure Gaudiguch has a much larger population than Hallifax. Hallifax also has that caste system. This should mean that Hallifax has a harder time in getting influencers. The problem I see is that Gaudiguch's RP of "freedom" encourages...laziness.

I actually think that's part of the reason that Hallifax is doing so well. It naturally attracts people who already are disciplined.

How many times have we had this argument before? Yes, you can justify anything within your RP if you're willing to dilute it enough. You win. Here's a free bowl of rice.

If RP demands you to not influence a village, don't do a quest, don't kill a certain mob... don't. But like it or not, there are perfectly justified reasons for doing nearly anything. It's been stated time and again that both Celest and Serenwilde aren't necessarily "good", just as Glomdoring and Magnagora aren't necessarily "evil". All orgs, regardless of philosophical bent have a vested interest in claiming as many villages, domoths, cultural status, etc., as possible.

Choosing to adjust RP doesn't necessarily mean dilute it. But if your current RP prevents growth or enrichment of your org, perhaps it should.