Envoys are plenty OOC in the first place, though yes, they're patron appointed. He'll have to go though his respective divine as the Guildmaster to even begin the proposition to change envoys if they truly wanted.

I'm honestly curious to see what would happen if someone outguilded a Vernal and then demanded their right per the Leaves the ostracise them as well.

Sylphas should stop over-exaggerating. This is -one- month I didn't ask, and considering how I'm not even -buffing- my alt, and the change I asked for in Transmology is pretty basic, I fail to see how this makes me a horrible envoy. I usually ask each month, and usually get no response as to what I should envoy. Moondancers aren't exactly in dire need of changes either, considering last month when I was listening to suggestions lots of the ideas you gave (you as in Sylphas) were in terms of flavour not even combat-viability. So don't try to make me out as the horrible person to help a new guild get something small instead of them waiting months for it to happen.

You're a terrible envoy exactly because not only did you not ask, you didn't even bother to mention it. Also, last month your report went in barely under the wire and the only talk you had that I know about was half an hour before it needed to be in, because you don't play Sarrasri ever, don't answer messages, and don't do anything but start fights when you're around. I'm sorry, but I fully expect at least basic communication from my guild. The least you can do is report on what you've done.

It's not the fact that we have nothing dire to envoy, or that I hate that Transmology is getting the report, or that I disagree with the report. It's that it looks like Kalin just said, "Hey, get on Sarrasri and envoy this," and you decided to do so without a word to us first. That's incredibly rude, if nothing else.

Sarrasri, you horrible person. I bet you eat babies too, just because for once, you didn't ask.

Last month I had asked multiple times on our OOC clan if anyone had suggestions to get none. It went down to the wire because some people finally decided to pay attention and notice we didn't have a report yet. Just because you're not there every time I ask doesn't mean I don't. And I offered it to Kalin because waiting months for utility things is ridiculous and having one slot taken for one month wouldn't kill us, because as I said, Moondancers aren't in a horrible position where they need tons of changes and as envoy, I know this.

As for starting fights, maybe if you'd stop being so hostile whenever I say anything, there'd be fewer of them, or maybe if you got rid of that condescension you're so fond of whenever you talk to me.

I wouldn't be hostile at all if you talked to people. If you want ideas, post to the newsboards. Not everyone is around all the time. I'm around for almost 14 hours a day and still barely if ever see you.

All I've ever asked for in this situation, or in the guard situation, is a heads up about what is going on. If you can't even provide that, you're right, I'm going to be a prick to you. "Hey, I moved these guards," or "Hey, I'm using our envoy slot for the Illuminati." Instead, you log in, throw up the report, then go play your alt some more. I ask for communication from everyone and give it myself. I'm sorry if you think I'm so wrong for actually expecting people in positions of power to talk to those they serve.

Really didn't want to start a fight, should have kept my off hand comments to myself.

I really don't understand why you're Envoy though if you have a Gaudi alt and hardly play Sarrasri. It wouldn't be an unjustified accusation that you're being biased into your Envoy report of a Gaudi skill. It would be like me having a Mag alt and envoying Glom buffs.

You mean having a Mag alt and envoying mag buffs.

This is slightly annoying, but not really my issue. Transmology could use the change. Just would have been nice to know that was the plan before seeing it on REPORT LIST. It's hard to call bias when it's utility stuff everyone else has. If it was a huge combat buff, I'd have issued her already.

This was assuming that I was Envoy as a Mag or something. Or yes, Mag alt and envoying Mag buffs as Nienla.

While I can agree that Transmology could use the change, it's really not proper to use her place as Moondancer envoy to buff her skills as an Illuminati.

This.

I think you all missed the part where she's not an Illuminati.

So it is clear, MY GAUDI ALT IS NOT AN ILLUMINATI. I am NOT buffing myself in any way or form. I don't even have ACCESS to Transmology. Stop saying I'm buffing my alt. Thank you.

Regardless of what class she is. She's still buffing a skill from Gaudiguch on her Moondancer character where she plays her Gaudiguch character MORE than her Moondancer.

either way, shouldn't you be buffing your own skills or nerfing Choke?

You know what? The Achievements to kill 5/25/100 Finks/Gnomes should really be kill or Influence.