New Guilds: Illuminati and Institute

by Estarra

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Saran2010-07-01 04:21:54
QUOTE (Ileein @ Jul 1 2010, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, we're selling at 100 because we can (apparently) get cut gems at a bulk rate of 30 each, and each gem produces 3 facets, so each facet (which = 1 charged gem) comes to 10 gold. We sell in groups of 10, so each group is 100.


Are we getting a discount on gems comms then?
Furien2010-07-01 04:24:31
QUOTE (Arel @ Jun 30 2010, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Come2Halli?

EDIT: The guildleaders and secretaries are nice enough to pay the price of mass harvesting gems with their own tears and blood without passing that onto the guild. tongue.gif


We do that too, except flesh is tied to NPC respawn times and it's a 1:1 ratio.
Doman2010-07-01 05:02:55
the 1:1 ratio does seem kinda brutal.
Unknown2010-07-01 05:18:20
You know..Illuminati should totally be able to take Brewmeister. It is so fitting to Gaudiguch that its ridiculous, but no one in the city can actually take it. Craziness!
Gregori2010-07-01 05:46:06
QUOTE (Narrative @ Jun 30 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not complaining about the control. Don't get me wrong. If it wasn't there then it would be a mad house. Its just that 200g is kind of painful when you're low-level.

I mean, bashing will usually pay for what you use to def up for it, but that initial hit to buy 10 or so can make you wince. At least the guild will make a fortune though. tongue.gif



It got moved to 200 because we thought 100 would be incentive enough to not buy out the one flesh that everyone needs the most... instead over 700 were sold over night. So we bumped the price another 100 gold to further try and give some incentive to not buy out the one flesh everyone needs the most. Until people get their mounds running or our flesh pots actually have a better return on their upkeep the cost will reflect the demand so as to try to keep everyone stocked.


If we just let everyone harvest there would be none of that flesh by now, so consider that.

Edit:: We don't want to be charging huge amounts, which is why all the rest are 10 gold each except Cluuvia and Lovashi which is 100 and 200 respectively. We realise that it's a pain in the ass and costly to def up, but unfortunately someone decided that 1 flesh type should be used in every single thing instead of mixing it up a bit more. On the otherhand, the funds the guild is generating means it should be able to purchase an astrolab for the astrologers right quick and future expansions for the guild as well (guild tutor shop and other fun RP toys and mechanics)
Unknown2010-07-01 05:47:12
QUOTE (Doman @ Jul 1 2010, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the 1:1 ratio does seem kinda brutal.

Pretty much, most of the Illuminati are stocking up on insane numbers of Lovashi, and forgoing the rest unless they really need it.

Because we can't really get petals quickly, or easily.

Possible solution? Make it so fleshpots accept all corpses, but only the entities provide power.
Unknown2010-07-01 05:52:29
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jul 1 2010, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It got moved to 200 because we thought 100 would be incentive enough to not buy out the one flesh that everyone needs the most... instead over 700 were sold over night. So we bumped the price another 100 gold to further try and give some incentive to not buy out the one flesh everyone needs the most. Until people get their mounds running or our flesh pots actually have a better return on their upkeep the cost will reflect the demand so as to try to keep everyone stocked.


If we just let everyone harvest there would be none of that flesh by now, so consider that.


Like I said, I wasn't complaining about the control over it. I realize why it needs to be done. I just wince when I buy 10 of something I need a lot of and it costs me 2k.
Gregori2010-07-01 05:58:56
to be fair too, there is only like 4 - 5 mutations you -really- need for bashing.

long legs for celerity so you can get around faster (though you can use a trotting mount or hermit /catacombs instead)

scaled lips for sip bonus

stable aura (if you are not gnosis path)

giant hands

wings cause sometimes it's handy to fly when bashing (but certainly not a must)

The rest you really don't need so much
Noola2010-07-01 06:09:11
I hate the idea of the use of your skills being limited to what someone thinks you need. sad.gif

BUT, that complaint out of the way, it's obviously just a temporary and much needed measure until the fleshes are caught back up. Later on, when dust settles and half the Illuminati alts go inactive and after everyone in Gaudi has done the nexus hunting a few billion times, the fleshpots ought to all be up to snuff and then it won't be needed so much and folks can put up whatever necessary or frivolous defenses they want without having to worry about budgeting their fleshy bits.

Right? happy.gif
Elostian2010-07-01 08:41:10
QUOTE (Saran @ Jul 1 2010, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah. checked the Institute shop, I think we might actually be underselling based on current prices, need to check other things though.


Nonsense. Prices all depend on management. The thing -not- to do right now is all run screaming for the nearest village and continue to buy out all gems continually. That's one way to really raise prices. Instead, if you just organise a gem retrieval team who regularly do quests and take care not to buy out stock you can get an increased supply over a longer period of time at lower prices. Proceed to have these gems cut with a jewellers hammer instead of without and you're looking at very mangeable prices.
Anisu2010-07-01 10:08:40
QUOTE (Elostian @ Jul 1 2010, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nonsense. Prices all depend on management. The thing -not- to do right now is all run screaming for the nearest village and continue to buy out all gems continually. That's one way to really raise prices. Instead, if you just organise a gem retrieval team who regularly do quests and take care not to buy out stock you can get an increased supply over a longer period of time at lower prices. Proceed to have these gems cut with a jewellers hammer instead of without and you're looking at very mangeable prices.

I do not think the not buying out part will work. Whenever prices are low in a village someone will buy them out, so might as well be a member of the institute rather then a non citizens, we will just have to win over more gem producing villages!

I think people will just have to bite the bullet this month, by next month the novelty of the guilds is gone and the demand will no doubt plummet
Kante2010-07-01 10:10:12
QUOTE (Anisu @ Jul 1 2010, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do not think the not buying out part will work. Whenever prices are low in a village someone will buy them out, so might as well be a member of the institute rather then a non citizens, we will just have to win over more gem producing villages!

I think people will just have to bite the bullet this month, by next month the novelty of the guilds is gone and the demand will no doubt plummet

Truer words could not be spoken.
Elostian2010-07-01 11:06:26
Please note the 'longer amount of time'. I am speaking over years, not the next two months or so.
Eventru2010-07-01 11:20:56
As I've said a thousand times, there's about 100 (it's actually like 96 or something) gem commodity quests per hour.

I'm sure Hallifax will manage.

We're watching the fleshpots, and may make changes. (TBH I'm not sure why the gems give 3 facets while entities give 1. There was a reason, but I can't remember it anymore)
Kante2010-07-01 11:28:34
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 1 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said a thousand times, there's about 100 (it's actually like 96 or something) gem commodity quests per hour.

I'm sure Hallifax will manage.

We're watching the fleshpots, and may make changes. (TBH I'm not sure why the gems give 3 facets while entities give 1. There was a reason, but I can't remember it anymore)

Is it that the admin hate Gaudiguch? I bet that's it.

I kid, I know you love us. cool.gif
Kiradawea2010-07-01 11:59:48
Perhaps fleshgrafts were thought to be set-and-forget even after you log out? Gems run out very swiftly. I had to spin up several new gems during the last revolt, and I was good at keeping them only activated when needed. This is especially true for jade, amethyst, beryl, emerald and diamond, since they are very useful for hunting and influencing, and ruby, in where you will use a ton of rubies to spin around your opponent. It's like having to pay ten gold for each rub of soulless (of a soulless that fades easier and deals slight damage and timewarp).

Even if they weren't, I would really suggest that the Illuminati get their fleshgrafts to work like the Harmonics gems, where they last through log out. If that happens, one petal for each thing becomes managable.
Arel2010-07-01 14:40:30
QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 1 2010, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We do that too, except flesh is tied to NPC respawn times and it's a 1:1 ratio.


Yes, but our gripe is that we have 12,000 facets in on sphere that we have to sit and harvest one at a time (not really a gripe, just teasing you).


QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 1 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I've said a thousand times, there's about 100 (it's actually like 96 or something) gem commodity quests per hour.

I'm sure Hallifax will manage.

We're watching the fleshpots, and may make changes. (TBH I'm not sure why the gems give 3 facets while entities give 1. There was a reason, but I can't remember it anymore)


I don't think any of us were crying about the crystals. They get sold at cost and we have a good supply.
Gregori2010-07-01 14:49:47
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 1 2010, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hate the idea of the use of your skills being limited to what someone thinks you need. sad.gif


I am not saying don't use your skills. I am saying "these are the bashing ones." In a time when you need to be cheap with what you mutate, in order to conserve, it's good to know what you really need and what you don't. If you are putting up all your mutations to go bashing, you are not doing yourself any favours because most of them don't help you to bash in the slightest. Nor do you really have room to complain about the cost of deffing up if you are putting up mutations you don't need to.


Note: "you" is in reference to the general populace not Noola(alts) herself
Noola2010-07-01 15:04:01
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jul 1 2010, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Note: "you" is in reference to the general populace not Noola(alts) herself


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Sometime soon I'm gonna make me an Illuminati alt!
Unknown2010-07-01 15:16:52
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 1 2010, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if they weren't, I would really suggest that the Illuminati get their fleshgrafts to work like the Harmonics gems, where they last through log out. If that happens, one petal for each thing becomes managable.


I'm in full support of this.

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