Listening to Druken ramble on about the Glomdoring was awesome (and I mean that with the utmost respect, of course... heh.)

As for the false memory thing, it is kind of both a "I reject your reality and substitute my own" kind of thing, and a "Well, the rest is unimportant thing" as near as I can tell. I've never been a Blacktalon, but from my interactions with a few of them, and the reading I've done, it seems to go either way, or both.. depending on what is best for Glomdoring, of course.


Also, yes... thank you whomever had the widowrider speak up like that. It was way cool to have them chime in and join the chorus.

The same argument could be attempted for beastmastery in Hallifax and astrology in Gaudiguch, but it isn't going to hold up when there's clear intent that the admin have gave it the okay (why give Aeromancers thunderbirds if there's going to be established RP handed from the divine against using them?)

False Memory is just systematically denying something to yourself to make the reality easier to bear, especially when it comes to Glomdoring not being tainted, or a tainted byproduct (cue Xenthos entrance into thread and by subsequent departure).

Paradigmatics isn't actually systematic denial or lies - you imagine something, and it becomes that way, because your magic makes it the ultimate truth. False Memory isn't making anything true, it's just making it lulz.

That is blatantly wrong. The whole idea of Paradigmatics is that if you can get everyone to believe the sky is green, it will become green. There is no special magic that makes Paradigmatics different than False Memory--its just that Paradigmatics is the art of learning to think that way--to see reality as maleable.

False Memory may not encompass all of Paradigmatics, but it is Paradigmatics in action.

It doesn't involve making others believe anything - you're bending reality through your perceptions. It's got legitimate magic behind it, I don't know enough to say the same for False Memory but I doubt it.

You obviously haven't paid attention. It is absolutely about making others believe things. I believe its during the Collegium quest that one of the denizens actually says that if you can make people believe in your reality, that it will become a part of reality. But if you don't get people to believe, then they'll just think you're a crazy fool. The skillset may not be about making people believe in things, but the actual philosophy behind the skillset, the RP of Gaudiguch, is that you can shape reality by making people believe things, because reality isn't Reality. Its shaped by the perceptions of the people living in it.

Paradigmatics isn't enabled by magic, it creates magic. Viewing reality like that lets them bend reality to create results--the magic. Not the other way around.

No, it's clearly a pretty personal thing. You envision stuff and it happens. If other people don't believe you, they're wrong. I mean, it's even in the skill messages. Causing bad luck has nothing to do with making other people believe they're unlucky - it's more like being certain that everything that can go for them will.

Really? Are you going to make me make a new novice just so I can show you the part where it is explicitly said that you can make changes permanent by making other people believe?

Yes, you can force your perception of reality on them temporarily, but to make things permanent, there needs to be a lot of belief in it. Its said explicitly.

Here's an idea-- how about we all stop hijacking this thread and start talking to each other like we are each human beings?

Yesterday was the first I had ever interacted with Druken. I do believe I want moar. Something abouvthis hardore assholicness makes him...interesting.

I don't think he was using false memory here, from the standpoint of a Glom... Glomdoring isn't tainted. Wyrd is not the same as taint. That's part of the spiel that we teach newbs in the same way that Serenwilde teaches that fae are good and hugging at the nexus is to be encouraged. Neither is it a lie that we've told ourselves so much that it's become 'true'. Wyrd is a different ansi colour than taint. QED. He's not saying that the terrain was never tainted, he's saying that Glomdoring as it is known to us, was born with the Wyrd. (Before there was nothing, etc.) Just because Serenwilde teaches that wyrd IS the same as taint, doesn't make this true, either. This is one of Lusternia's fundamental qualities... many questions are left without absolute answers, that players are encouraged to form their own theories and debates.

As for Glomdoring has always existed, I take this to mean that the concept of a forest without mercy has always been present, that the mindset has always existed. We can look to this being true in the player-era, as there were groups like Disciples of Crow and the Summer Court before there was Glomdoring as a player org, and extrapolate that the desire to live this way has been ever present.

False memory tends to be something that is brought up more by people who don't play in Glom than people who do, and they almost always misunderstand it how we actually use it.


That is unfortunate. Being grilled on GT by Nadjia as a Penumbra was a terrifying and memorable experience that encouraged me to really get into the lore like nothing else had.

I'm sorry to have missed Druken story time

Make a Serenwilde alt who believes this so I can beat it out of you .

QFT, on all counts.

I'm sorry you missed story time, too! It was fun!

How do the players of Glomdoring characters understand the Wyrd, then? As I, personally, always understood it, it was the product of what happened when the power of the various spirits of Gloriana met the power of the Taint and the resulting mess met the joint power of Isune and Viravain, and came out something with aspects of all three. I'm just curious, here.

I explain that, to a degree. The taint killed off the Gloriana because it was weak, and then there was the Glomdoring. If I explained the wyrd in our culture, I would have said something about it being a gift from Lady Viravain to assist the Glomdoring. That's all we NEED to know as members of the Glomdoring-- the wyrd exists because it is helping the Glomdoring to flourish. The end.

When Druken's asked about the event that caused the Wyrd, he acknowledges that Isune played a role, but it's similar to the role Maeve plays in the Ethereal Realm. We don't really care about her as an entity or a person, but we understand that she is connected to the fae, and therefore, we respect her as much as is required to honor the Glomdoring.

Oh, I'm sorry, I meant the players of Glomdoring, not its characters.

I got an excellent sense of how the characters see things in this log. It was very good.

And risk an informed argument? That's not the way we do things on these forums, buddy.

Oh, well I know it was taint. Gloriana became the Glomdoring after the taint killed off everything else, Rowena was once a good witch and she and zombie Brennan corrupted a druid who became the wyrdling, etc.

It's why playing a Glomdoring character is so cool. It's almost like forced immersion. We, the players, KNOW what really went down, but our characters are blissfully unaware.

Eh, I see it more as the taint killed off everything that was weak, so the stronger stuff that emerged was wyrd and it was never taint. It's like when you drink a lot, the weaker parts of you die and only the cooler, stronger stuff remains.

And my character sees it the same way. BAM, non-forced-immersion.

Just to be at odds with Druken, really.