I know! It's actually part of an Undervault Quest.

Just to add to this, while viscanti are allowed in Serenwilde, illithoid and viscanti aren't allowed into Shofangi on account of... listed reasons above.

I think it makes perfect sense. (But DS, you might have more luck trying to point this out IG rather than on the forums, where all it's going to be is a three-page argument that doesn't change anything.)

Why do people always tell other people to take things IC when their characters might not give a weevil's ass about it? None of my characters care about Elfen in Magnagora or Illithoid's in Serenwilde. So why would I bring it up?

I'm bringing it up here because it is an OOC issue. It is flat out telling players what they can or cannot play. How is that not OOC? And that's the part I have an issue with, simply because cutting off options is the crappy way out.

And yes, I realize Celest allows Viscanti--it was someone else who said he thought the restrictions were too lax, and I responded. Yeesh. Do people only read what I say and assume I'm whining and not directly replying to someone else?

Yes.

And they don't read everything you say, just the bits they feel support their argument / give them something to bitch about / can quote in sig for lulz

In order:

You're bringing it up because you feel wronged, and you're frankly against a larger (and arguably wiser) body here. It is justifiable from an RP point of view to not only discriminate against but outright disallow the citizenship or progress of certain races. If they did allow such beings in certain places, it would be incredibly hypocritical.

It isn't telling players they can't play - it's telling them they can play as long as they stay in the constraints of acceptable organization/cultural RP. Just because RP is a 'special thing' to every person does not mean that there aren't rules or laws in an in character culture or city or commune. In fact, it is foolhardy to even assume that the discrimination against certain races wouldn't exist. Cutting off options is crappy, but there's a choice to be made: if a person really likes, say, Magnagora's RP that much, then they will likely have no issue with changing to more acceptable race. If they aren't willing to, I guess they didn't belong there/didn't like the RP enough to do so, and can thus go elsewhere.

Yes.

If this were actually an issue, it would have been addressed six years ago...you know, when it was started, with no small amount of admin intervention. What you're doing, on the other hand, is mostly attention seeking. It is neither attractive nor enlightening.

Have you considered the reverse? That some of us really enjoy this unfairness and making things fair would ruin our fun? As a human, I'm not looked upon like Viscanti are, and hang somewhere in between. This is a foundation of my characters motivations, for her doing that little extra to be accepted. What then gives you the right to say this should be changed because some people might not be able to play what they want? By what you're suggesting you might ruin the fun of a player who really likes to be a lesser race within Magnagora. So how in the end is that fair then?

That and there is the fact that Fain says "there are the lesser races", he is the city's patron, and you're totally welcome to disagree. Might end up spending the rest of your days as a maggot though. Which probably is like the best case scenario. And who knows, maybe some of the leadership of Mag don't agree with these laws either. But it remains a fact that if you say it out loud, you're going to get an angry Divine on your ass. So they won't say it even if it is so. Doesn't take away they might be secretly forming a masterplan to dispose of Fain in some Divine-killing way and make the new city patron.

It's cute and all but in the end the real decision also lays with the creators of the game. If they got spammed to death (this is not a suggestion) with complains of people unhappy about this, I am sure the issue would be addressed. Or not. Cause it is their world and they can do with it whatever the hell they want.

So yeah, that's my little rant on this.

I have to admit that while I understand various orgs forbidding individuals of certain races from doing certain things (joining, gaining power, whatever), I intensely dislike the whole, "Oh, you can just reincarnate," mentality. If everyone could just run around and reincarnate to rid themselves of Taint, then Taint wouldn't be a big deal. I mean, the whole point of the Lucidian doing all kinds of experiments on the Viscanti is that we supposedly don't know how to get rid of Taint. If all that is required is death and willingness, POOF, there would be no problem. I wish there was some IC attempt to explain how reincarnation influences Taint.

Oh no, only us Portal marked folks can reincarnate.

Oooooh. I likes it. I should have thought of that, but no one has ever put it that way in my hearing. Whenever I poked anyone about it, I got ignored. I'm going to use this.

I've never actually viewed Viscanti as tainted, in the sense that they carry it with them. More that they were mutated and over the years became their own species with a wildly varied gene pool. It's like saying ostriches are tainted because they're flightless birds. Sure, maybe at some point they were irradiated or something and mutated, but they're not radioactive anymore.

edit: Probably a mistake to pursue this. I won't try and find out!

You did the right thing. Your post was a flame war waiting to happen.

Speaking of which, I think now is the best time to discuss Order Affinity and how it is inexorably tied in with "forced RP" as per the Hai-Gloh event, how monks get guaranteed affs when warriors have to worry about RNG, Divine Fire and other end game imbalances, the fact that is making the game unenjoyable for certain parties, how long it's taking designs to get approved, and Perfect Fifth + Choke.

Those issues will be addressed when the bards / monks for Gaudi and Halli come out. Halli bards will get choke, and Gaudi bards will get a watered-down but still incredibly broken divinefire ability

O.o

Lolcakes at the Bot.

You're welcome.

Oooh, I like that, too.