Ixion2010-07-15 08:15:47
QUOTE (Placeus @ Jul 15 2010, 03:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meh, dunno. The damage does seem high, but I don't get why this hasn't been seen before and why Sidd's test is so wildly different.
Prone affliction for an attack is applied before the damage is calculated. The grapple prones first then applies its damage so would always be at +50%. I'd never seen this cause massive damage before because hold/grapple do 0 damage and choke/bairak do ~50.
Still would like to see what happens when you're standing before the grapple/kick hits.
Prone affliction for an attack is applied before the damage is calculated. The grapple prones first then applies its damage so would always be at +50%. I'd never seen this cause massive damage before because hold/grapple do 0 damage and choke/bairak do ~50.
Still would like to see what happens when you're standing before the grapple/kick hits.
Unprone it did 1150 plus or minus a smidgen, but let's face it in combat against a monk you're prone a huge portion of the time. Eeeeeven unprone, that's still absurd when 3x that can be done in 4.25 seconds as I just showed. Any way you look at it, it's excessive even by itself out of form. I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet Thul did not have even war karma buff at the time.
Sidd's comments are a good example of how communes often forget how much resistances they actually get and dare I say a bit spoiled sometimes, IMHO. Not jabbing him, it's just an observation. As a former Moon SG, I know exactly what it's like. Alas I digress. Yes, this needs to be looked at.
Edit: by comparison, Malarious did 548 standing and 701 prone damage to me from it, which is pretty reasonable. Again, I think it's a str scaling problem where it jumps too high.
Veyrzhul2010-07-15 08:35:08
Oothai is pretty strong, it did 1,7k damage each time to me yesterday, too.
As for Sidd's testing... I've just recently discovered some huge bug with damage reduction by ecology charms (protection was way better than it should have been and actually got worse as the quality of the charm got better). If such bugs exist with other skills providing dmp, things could be pretty messed up (the 30 dmp (precious) charm against fire reduced destruction damage from Nydekion by more than 50% in my case, for instance). Maybe nightkiss provides more protection than it should in this case.
As for Sidd's testing... I've just recently discovered some huge bug with damage reduction by ecology charms (protection was way better than it should have been and actually got worse as the quality of the charm got better). If such bugs exist with other skills providing dmp, things could be pretty messed up (the 30 dmp (precious) charm against fire reduced destruction damage from Nydekion by more than 50% in my case, for instance). Maybe nightkiss provides more protection than it should in this case.
Janalon2010-07-15 08:40:09
CODE
The Tae'dae Race:
STATISTICS:
    Strength    : 18    Dexterity  :  8    Constitution: 17
    Intelligence:  9    Charisma    : 15    Size        : 15
STATISTICS:
    Strength    : 18    Dexterity  :  8    Constitution: 17
    Intelligence:  9    Charisma    : 15    Size        : 15
Let me know if these calculations are right: 18 base racial str, +3 demi stat boost, and another possible +2str from psymet strength. That could potentially give Thul 23str (when compared against a mortal illithoid's 11str). I always knew that monk chokes more or less scale to the strength stat. Also wondering if kata strength hard (possible) or ibululu's sensitivity (not apparent from these logs) were in play.
Unknown2010-07-15 08:46:41
Demi is +2. Since it looks like Ixion and Thul were testing and not actually fighting, I very much doubt he was applying ibululu.
Veyrzhul2010-07-15 08:46:47
Demi is only +2 racial, but yes, he could reach 23 strength with expanding for another +2 weighted.
Esano2010-07-15 08:48:14
Demigod is +2, not +3. So 20 racial, then +2 from psymet = 22 str.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
Unknown2010-07-15 08:49:38
QUOTE (Esano @ Jul 15 2010, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Demigod is +2, not +3. So 20 racial, then +2 from psymet = 22 str.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
Ninja'd hardcore, buddy.
Ixion2010-07-15 09:05:29
QUOTE (Veyrzhul @ Jul 15 2010, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oothai is pretty strong, it did 1,7k damage each time to me yesterday, too.
As for Sidd's testing... I've just recently discovered some huge bug with damage reduction by ecology charms (protection was way better than it should have been and actually got worse as the quality of the charm got better). If such bugs exist with other skills providing dmp, things could be pretty messed up (the 30 dmp (precious) charm against fire reduced destruction damage from Nydekion by more than 50% in my case, for instance). Maybe nightkiss provides more protection than it should in this case.
As for Sidd's testing... I've just recently discovered some huge bug with damage reduction by ecology charms (protection was way better than it should have been and actually got worse as the quality of the charm got better). If such bugs exist with other skills providing dmp, things could be pretty messed up (the 30 dmp (precious) charm against fire reduced destruction damage from Nydekion by more than 50% in my case, for instance). Maybe nightkiss provides more protection than it should in this case.
Thank you for the vouch. @ sabres the first post was fighting with a hexer in the room, which is why I did the rest of them to rule out 100% of outside factors.
Vathael2010-07-15 12:48:09
This ability has always done a retarded amount of damage. Be thankful it was nerfed because it used to do like 4k damage and now it is just pre nerf damage warrior style damage... So does that mean it should be lowered since it was too much then as well? Certainly! I honestly wasn't surprised to see that attack being used in the log.
Unknown2010-07-15 13:17:33
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 15 2010, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, I think it's a str scaling problem where it jumps too high.
I could always have Thul give me the same form and hit you with it as a faeling. Or some other race of choice.
Unknown2010-07-15 13:22:21
I'd also like to see the Oothai damage compared to normal Choke damage.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:18:15
It has to be used inside of a Kata form. Which, to me, seems like a pretty big downgrade as is. Lol at this thread though.
Unknown2010-07-15 14:20:06
It can be used outside of a form.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:42:12
QUOTE (Zarquan @ Jul 15 2010, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It can be used outside of a form.
I'm aware, but it was nerfed to do minor damage outside of a form if I recall correctly.
Lehki2010-07-15 17:30:51
QUOTE
With a heavy overhand stroke, Shuyin slams a blackened justiciar's rapier down upon you. Shuyin hacks through your chest, gashing apart layers of skin to reveal your bloody ribcage.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
4225h, 6026m, 5754e, 7p, 27685en, 29242w ekdp-<13:29:20.163>
WOUNDS TO CHEST ESTIMATED 1201
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
==========
writhe grapple
261h, 6026m, 5754e, 7p, 27685en, 29242w ekdp-<13:29:20.243>
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
inr all sparkleberry
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
4225h, 6026m, 5754e, 7p, 27685en, 29242w ekdp-<13:29:20.163>
WOUNDS TO CHEST ESTIMATED 1201
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
==========
writhe grapple
261h, 6026m, 5754e, 7p, 27685en, 29242w ekdp-<13:29:20.243>
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
inr all sparkleberry
=/
I was fully deffed and think I actually did have pretty high head wounds, but that was only in combat for like... maybe 10 seconds? Wounds got built up pretty fast with Sidd and Thul on my head, but still, ow.
EDIT: Looking back on log, Shuyin hitting head too, and Slitthroat from Sidd shortly before that clip, so at least heavy wounds.
Unknown2010-07-15 17:57:44
Yeah teaming's rough like that!
Thul's max strength with no damage on me, standalone, I have the same defs as Ixion barring garb.
=1584
=1584
Btw having helm or no helm doesn't matter, I've tested with both and they both do the same damage. Probably the same with hoods.
Thul's max strength with no damage on me, standalone, I have the same defs as Ixion barring garb.
QUOTE
8910h, 3978m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25127w elrxk /10:52:14.316/<>-
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your
windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
7326h, 3978m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25127w elrxk /10:52:14.894/<>-
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your
windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
7326h, 3978m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25127w elrxk /10:52:14.894/<>-
=1584
QUOTE
7971h, 3878m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25108w elrxk /10:52:18.722/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Thul continues to viciously choke you.
6387h, 3878m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25108w elrxk /10:52:18.909/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Thul continues to viciously choke you.
6387h, 3878m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25108w elrxk /10:52:18.909/<>-
=1584
Btw having helm or no helm doesn't matter, I've tested with both and they both do the same damage. Probably the same with hoods.
Xavius2010-07-15 18:00:51
The big difference is prone, which does ridiculous things to monk damage.
EDIT: And you're not getting kicked.
EDIT: And you're not getting kicked.
Lehki2010-07-15 18:01:59
I think I actually had my hood down stupidily, it was just, OW. Don't think I've ever taken that much from a player in a single hit before. <<
You said no damage, you mean 0 head wounds?
Ninja EDIT: oh, hoods don't matter. o,o
And I didn't get kicked either, Xavius.
You said no damage, you mean 0 head wounds?
Ninja EDIT: oh, hoods don't matter. o,o
And I didn't get kicked either, Xavius.
Unknown2010-07-15 18:10:18
Ok, here's while prone.
=2378 initial, 1436 tick
11 str:
=1485 initial, 1285, 1040 ticks.
-Looks like prone is what bumps it up, that's rough
QUOTE
8910h, 3936m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25142w elrxkp /11:01:50.659/<>-
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your
windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
6532h, 3996m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25142w elrxkp /11:01:50.972/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Thul continues to viciously choke you.
5096h, 3875m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25111w elrxkp /11:01:54.863/<>-
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your
windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
6532h, 3996m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25142w elrxkp /11:01:50.972/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Thul continues to viciously choke you.
5096h, 3875m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25111w elrxkp /11:01:54.863/<>-
=2378 initial, 1436 tick
11 str:
QUOTE
8910h, 3978m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25145w elrxkp /11:06:48.441/<>-
With a hiss, Ragniliff slams her nekai against your throat and presses against
your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
7425h, 3975m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25141w elrxkp /11:06:53.019/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Ragniliff continues to viciously choke you.
6140h, 3853m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25111w elrxkp /11:06:56.894/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Ragniliff continues to viciously choke you.
5100h, 3996m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25125w elrxkp /11:07:01.144/<>-
With a hiss, Ragniliff slams her nekai against your throat and presses against
your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
7425h, 3975m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25141w elrxkp /11:06:53.019/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Ragniliff continues to viciously choke you.
6140h, 3853m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25111w elrxkp /11:06:56.894/<>-
You gasp helplessly for breath as Ragniliff continues to viciously choke you.
5100h, 3996m, 6662e, 10p, 28175en, 25125w elrxkp /11:07:01.144/<>-
=1485 initial, 1285, 1040 ticks.
-Looks like prone is what bumps it up, that's rough
Lehki2010-07-15 18:28:08
One more snippet for the hell of it.
No wounds and no defs. Pretty harsh stuff there.
QUOTE
Thul carefully rushes directly at you and trusses you up in the most clever manner possible.
==========
invoke summer
5934h, 6996m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29103w exp-<14:15:34.102>
Turning your head to the south, you beseech the Spirits of Summer to set you free. A sparkling wind comes forth from the south and burns away the ties that bind you.
5934h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:34.139>
Throwing a kick in the Spronghai style, Thul slams his right heel on your left arm.
===== HAEMOPHILIA =====
sip sanguine
5154h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:35.248>
sip health
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
==========
writhe grapple
3189h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:35.346>
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
inr all sparkleberry
beast order heal health
read 149306
==========
invoke summer
5934h, 6996m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29103w exp-<14:15:34.102>
Turning your head to the south, you beseech the Spirits of Summer to set you free. A sparkling wind comes forth from the south and burns away the ties that bind you.
5934h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:34.139>
Throwing a kick in the Spronghai style, Thul slams his right heel on your left arm.
===== HAEMOPHILIA =====
sip sanguine
5154h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:35.248>
sip health
With a hiss, Thul slams his nekai against your throat and presses against your windpipe, painfully choking the life from you.
==========
writhe grapple
3189h, 6946m, 5754e, 10p, 26634en, 29088w xp-<14:15:35.346>
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
inr all sparkleberry
beast order heal health
read 149306
No wounds and no defs. Pretty harsh stuff there.
