Any chance of monks hitting Gaudiguch or hallifax anytime soon?

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No.

Bards are next, and aren't supposed to be coming around until sometime next year, at last word. Monks are a long way off.

ah thanks.

I'm pretty sure spirit is distinct from soul. Ileein's post summed up my understanding of it, anyway.

Spiritsingers can call up Spirits to defend them, if it helps your IC investigation any.

I'm pretty sure that the Spirits that Spiritsingers call up refer to the 'ghost, apparition' meaning of the word, rather than 'essence, soul', which is what she's asking about.

Ancestral spirits aren't the same as the Nature Spirits.

Thanks for the help guys. I have a better idea of how to describe this now. I'm still curious about distinguishing between a spirit and soul though, if there is any official answer to that from the admins. If not, no worries.

From what I understand the Son of Yudhe gave all of Dynara's creations a spark. We discussed that a spirit is a 'spark' in all sentient creatures.

So, do Soulless have a spark but no soul? If spirit and soul are completely separate from one another, why is this?

Here's my theory of the Lusternian soul:

Yudhe splits himself off to form Dynara
Dynara creates Lusternia (First World)
Dynara with Son of Yudhe creates Elder Gods

Elder Gods (using their own essence) create animals, which come together as a hive-soul to form Collective Great Spirits
Elder God awaken Dynara's latent essence in the world, raising Awakened Great Spirit

Elder Gods sharded/split themselves into the races

From Cosmogenesis, it sounds as if the Son of Yudhe is the source of all soul/spirit. However, that brings up the question then of how Dracnoris, Keph and Vrandrac obtained their souls.
Also, Awakened Spirits appear to be mostly made up of Dynara's essence. Perhaps during the awakening, the Elder Gods put some of their own essence into the Awakened Spirit, which might explain why they often take after the primary conductor of the awakening.

I suspect the reason for Keph having a soul may be revealed through the nature of the kephera themselves. They're a highly structured, well-organized race that function similar to the way a Great Spirit forms a collective conscious. Of course, that doesn't explain -why- she ended up this way.

Maybe all those eyeballs gave her a good sense of awareness.

And all of Dracnoris' claws gave him a good grip on things? (Har har har?)
In the Book of Dracnoris, He doesn't give a reason for why some Primal Gods have souls and are "able to contemplate their own existence" as Dynara said and others were born Soulless; Dracnoris' sister Draxbaylock was a Soulless God.

That "Primal Soul" could be the result of those contemplations considering Dracnoris and Keph were both Thinkers, or I may have flopped it.

Speculations, speculations.

Their Circle may definitely have something to do with it. I thought Dracnoris was a Meditator for some reason. I can't really remember.

Eventru did say there were latent energies lying around to awaken Night/Moon. But the timing of that might be a bit off...

Dracnoris and Keph were Meditators.

I think you may have approached that the wrong way. What Eventru meant was that the Sixth Circle awakened the latent essence of Dynara into the Great Spirits, instead of using the essence to awaken the spirits.

I'm not sure why Dracnoris or Keph wouldn't have souls. There is no link, from what I recall, between the Son of Yudhe cooperating with Dynara and the move from the Primal God form to the Star God form. Dynara might have moved to favoring Star God shapes after the Son decided to help her make nice delicious souls.

Also, I think spark is a synonym for soul. Not sure!

From the Book of Dracnoris:

Which shows that Dracnoris, at least, was created before the Son of Yudhe helped Dynara.

Okay, that's fair. I never noticed that before! But I still am not sure I see a link in general between the two things. Keph and any other ensouled Primal Gods might have come along after the Son showed up to help Dynara.

Yup, but that still leaves Dracnoris as an anomaly, which is fascinating.