Daughters

by Veyrzhul

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Shaddus2010-07-15 14:18:48
Wouldn't be so easy, sorry. Ahem
Vathael2010-07-15 14:21:02
Ok, done, they are both easy and I took the liberty of soloing the avatars as well.
Saran2010-07-15 14:22:08
QUOTE (Sidd @ Jul 15 2010, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this is a silly thing to worry about and there are much larger concerns in the game,

why does it matter if they clump when you raid them when no one is around anyway?

and no, ladies do not clump less than Daughters, I've run into groups of 9 ladies in the northeast corner and sometimes with the broken limbs/paralysis/insanely long blackout that they do, it can be extremely difficult to pull them back to the group, you just need to run through the daughter group, that's easy


...gotta disagree here, alot of etherwilde is... binary. And the rooms that aren't could split groups off into three or four directions, there is a chance for a clot to appear. But it's not as big as the chance for a clot of daughters.

QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 16 2010, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Two words:

Sterling Ladies.

Edit: And bawww, I'm sorry that the Daughters are stopping your late night raids that you conveniently decide to do when no one is around. HMMM.


eeh, I'm not really going to be raiding either territory any time soon but well... you could do pretty much whatever you want all throughout ethereal glomdoring without running into a daughter if you avoid that very small southern region. The odds of a lady getting anywhere in etherwilde look kinda even though, cause the avatars are central and the mobs can be distributed easily throughout the zone.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:26:12
QUOTE (Saran @ Jul 15 2010, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...gotta disagree here, alot of etherwilde is... binary. And the rooms that aren't could split groups off into three or four directions, there is a chance for a clot to appear. But it's not as big as the chance for a clot of daughters.



eeh, I'm not really going to be raiding either territory any time soon but well... you could do pretty much whatever you want all throughout ethereal glomdoring without running into a daughter if you avoid that very small southern region. The odds of a lady getting anywhere in etherwilde look kinda even though, cause the avatars are central and the mobs can be distributed easily throughout the zone.


Having raided Etherwilde quite a bit, there are actually three rooms where there ARE Lady clumps. They do clump together commonly. Worse part is. There's usually ALWAYS that one Sterling Lady hanging out in that clump. Damn Sterling Ladies.
Sidd2010-07-15 14:28:22
QUOTE (Veyrzhul @ Jul 15 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're free to bring up your much more important concerns. This here his nothing that doesn't let me sleep at night. It just occured to me again when we briefly raided Etherglom today and, with whatever priority, I'd like to see it addressed somehow, sometime.

It matters because this is not about when I raid. It's a problem that affects raids on Etherglom in general.

That you ran into a huge clot once doesn't change the fact that Daughters generally clot more at that choke point south of Glom's nexus (which is a rather important room, too, as opposed to some far-off room in a corner of Etherwilde) than Ladies do anywhere.
And I have to ask for an explanation here; you say you get hit by Ladies when you lure them, yet it's possible to just run through Daughters? Maybe I misunderstood that part.
As for the case that you -do- get hit while luring, eq loss and webbing is alot worse than paralysis and broken limbs. Blackout is an annoyance, but doesn't hinder.


It wasn't a one time deal, I frequently run into clumps of 5 or larger, 9 was just an outlier and I disagree that paralysis/broken limbs hidden in blackout is not as bad as eq loss and webbing, especially when you need to climb into the trees to get around avatars, I've seen daughters pulled into large groups extremely easily. I've seen both raids in Etherglom and Etherwilde be torn apart by clumped groups of ladies/daughters. I think it's fine as is, and don't see it being a problem, it shouldn't be a ridiculously easy thing to snipe off ladies and daughters given how long it takes to get them back.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:31:59
QUOTE
Among a grove of young, mixed trees.
The silvery leaves of a faebush gently billow in the wind. A hornbeam sapling clings tenaciously to the ground here. There are 5 Ladies of the Sterling Light here.


Why, hello there permanent blackout.
Shaddus2010-07-15 14:35:11
QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 15 2010, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why, hello there permanent blackout.

I get this odd idea you don't like Sterling Ladies.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:35:36
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Jul 15 2010, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I get this odd idea you don't like Sterling Ladies.


They are my least favorite of all Ladies, yes. But that post was really to prove that the Ladies do indeed clump together.
Saran2010-07-15 14:38:15
QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 16 2010, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why, hello there permanent blackout.


Not logged in, where is this in relation to the avatar that spawns them.

You've also said that there are three rooms where they clump. Where are these, again I don't raid either. All I can say is that when I had a peak there the ladies were spread out and at most in clumps of three while all the daughters were in that small area with one or two exceptions.
Nienla2010-07-15 14:39:21
QUOTE (Saran @ Jul 15 2010, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not logged in, where is this in relation to the avatar that spawns them.

You've also said that there are three rooms where they clump. Where are these, again I don't raid either. All I can say is that when I had a peak there the ladies were spread out and at most in clumps of three while all the daughters were in that small area with one or two exceptions.


South of Luna, and generally in the northern circles past the Avatars. Especially in those little niches within the two northern circles.
Saran2010-07-15 14:51:18
QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 16 2010, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
South of Luna, and generally in the northern circles past the Avatars.


So to get this right, you are dislike that these ladies ended up in a location they have a 1 in 3 chance of getting to right after spawning and can be split into three different directions upon leaving?

As to the northern circles, trying to remember if selene and albion are in the rooms with two or four exits. Four exits, well it's expected then simply because three of the exits give them a good chance to end up there. Two exits less so because it's 50/50 whether they head to the northern or southern circles.


also after looking at the map I really want a northeast and northwest exit from the standing stone room. Then serenwilde could have it's love heart completed
Everiine2010-07-15 17:37:44
Wow, this really is a dumb argument...
Razenth2010-07-15 17:53:41
Veyrzhul is Seren again?
Sylphas2010-07-15 18:02:13
QUOTE (Razenth @ Jul 15 2010, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Veyrzhul is Seren again?


Every time I get used to him being in Celest, he comes to Seren, and every time I get used to him in Serenwilde, he moves to Celest. sad.gif
Unknown2010-07-15 18:50:32
Lolwhat.

There are bigger glom-related things to complain about, go check out that choke report, oothai thread, and whatever else.

It's not hard to clear daughter or ladies solo if you're willing to run around. As people have said, many individuals have been able to pull it off rather easily, with and without defenders. Since you tend to raid when no one is around to defend anyway, then it should be even easier to do so. Complaining about daughter clumps is rather crazy, might as well complain that all mobs wander, seren's ladies are protected by avatars (since we have to climb up to get there), and other pretty minor issues.

And really, I have this feeling that you're meant to have to, I dunno, use groups to clear large clumps via pulling, maybe I'm crazy.
Eventru2010-07-15 18:52:02
Kind of feel like this is just going to get worse.