Unknown2010-07-19 03:55:33
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 18 2010, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry. I've just been on edge in regards to the forum since the huge argument with Gregori. It just seems like whenever I say something, even when its a joke (like the Lendren overpricing thing, and even the bad business plan comment) people like to jump on it, and after a bad experience starting it all off, it just made it all that much more button-pushy.
So, I'm sorry.
So, I'm sorry.
And this is why you either a. stalk the forums, or b. learn to let almost everything said here roll off your back. Trust me, when I first posted (I was 15 tho) I got quite vocal and would often try my best to argue my points in retaliation to somethings said. (Arguing with Narsrim was so much fun!) Then I took about a year or so break from the game, and forums. Came back and I keep mostly to myself. If I do get into arguments with others, I either don't take it personally at all or if I do walk away and pet my kitties.
Unknown2010-07-19 03:55:42
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 18 2010, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No jokes! Grump.
So, now that you make that claim, I'd like some details. How long did you run this shop? What did you stock? General price ranges? What level were you? What organization was it in?
That kind of thing is quite relevant-- and while I'm willing to listen to your points, I'm rather curious as to the details and how they stack up with our experiences over the years.
Also, gold-gathering is a lot easier now than it was then. By leaps and bounds, heh. That's why credit prices have gone up from the old days. So, if you are competing by selling close to the commodity cost, your income vs. time ratio will be lower now than it was.
So, now that you make that claim, I'd like some details. How long did you run this shop? What did you stock? General price ranges? What level were you? What organization was it in?
That kind of thing is quite relevant-- and while I'm willing to listen to your points, I'm rather curious as to the details and how they stack up with our experiences over the years.
Also, gold-gathering is a lot easier now than it was then. By leaps and bounds, heh. That's why credit prices have gone up from the old days. So, if you are competing by selling close to the commodity cost, your income vs. time ratio will be lower now than it was.
I think we should all get on board with the spirit of roll-slowing.
Xenthos2010-07-19 03:56:18
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 18 2010, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry. I've just been on edge in regards to the forum since the huge argument with Gregori. It just seems like whenever I say something, even when its a joke (like the Lendren overpricing thing, and even the bad business plan comment) people like to jump on it, and after a bad experience starting it all off, it just made it all that much more button-pushy.
So, I'm sorry.
So, I'm sorry.
I personally just like to talk! It's not about the person, it's about the discussion. And occasionally learning things is nice, here and there.
Jack2010-07-19 03:57:46
QUOTE (Sarvasti @ Jul 19 2010, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And this is why you either a. stalk the forums, or b. learn to let almost everything said here roll off your back. Trust me, when I first posted (I was 15 tho) I got quite vocal and would often try my best to argue my points in retaliation to somethings said. (Arguing with Narsrim was so much fun!) Then I took about a year or so break from the game, and forums. Came back and I keep mostly to myself. If I do get into arguments with others, I either don't take it personally at all or if I do walk away and pet my kitties.
Whoa, same here! Actually, owing to a personal lack of self control, I still fly into a psychotic rage when people disagree with me. In the interests of not being banned I tend to stay on the sidelines and make retarded jokes. Consider this option two.
Eventru2010-07-19 03:58:07
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 18 2010, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
During previous instances over the past few days, after Eventru would say to drop it, I would, and then other people would continue making comments in my direction for hours, and no one would say a word about it.
Feel free to report them. I try to keep an eye, but there's so many forum threads, so many posts, and so much on my plate, I can't always look to make sure people are behaving. I'd like to think when myself or another mod says 'Drop it', it's dropped.
I'm sure many can point to a wide variety of instances where continuing it in any form gets a warn bump and a stern message.
And as an aside, if you really feel people are taking forum things IC or there's a serious problem going on, support@lusternia.com is there for you. Really. Even if nothing can be done, it's good to bring problems to the awareness of the collective administration, so they can have an eye kept on it.
Edit: And Xenthos likes to argue over the most silly points. You get used to it.
Xenthos2010-07-19 03:58:48
QUOTE (Jack @ Jul 18 2010, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa, same here! Actually, owing to a personal lack of self control, I still fly into a psychotic rage when people disagree with me. In the interests of not being banned I tend to stay on the sidelines and make retarded jokes. Consider this option two.
I miss Jack.
Unknown2010-07-19 03:59:56
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 18 2010, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Edit: And Xenthos likes to argue over the most silly points. You get used to it.
And Xenthos is a fluffy bunny, eventually you'll realize this. ^.^
Jack2010-07-19 04:00:15
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 19 2010, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I miss Jack.
Jack is here! Hug your Jack. Let him know he is loved. Feel free to kiss your Jack. He doesn't care where! Whatever you're comfortable with, Jack is too.
Xenthos2010-07-19 04:02:27
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 18 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Edit: And Xenthos likes to argue over the most silly points. You get used to it.
Hey! You hid this in an edit!
*Report*
Seriously, I just like to discuss things that are interesting to me. Sometimes it turns into a situation where the discussion itself is the most interesting thing, though!
Unknown2010-07-19 04:05:49
I think this pretty much sums up the last few pages.
Lendren2010-07-19 10:41:37
Sheesh, I go to sleep to wake up to find four pages of posts about my shop pricing. The funny thing is, when I started stocking enchanted rings in the Perfect Fifth, I was pricing them at 750 at a time when everyone else priced them at over 2000; at least in Serenwilde, I'm the reason that they came down to where they are.
As for why they cost what they do:
1) I pay my suppliers. This ensures that I can reliably have suppliers (at least as reliably as anyone can in this game). If I was willing to let people work for me for free when they were in the mood, I would be able to sell those for a lot less, and I would always be out of stock of half of them. I believe people deserve to be paid a reasonable amount for their time and their investment of skill. People would rather work for me and get a regular income than get paid more but only very inconsistently.
2) I charge what people will pay. I'm selling them out regularly. I get those rings enchanted in batches of 50 and usually have to do a new batch every 2-3 years.
3) For other things (not rings though), I'm intentionally overpricing things specifically because I don't want to compete with the traders. For instance, my price on shields is way out of line. I stock them so that everyone can get a shield even when forgers are impossible to find, but I don't want forgers to feel like I'm driving away their business, and I strongly encourage my guildmates to go to forgers. Same thing for robes and quite a few other items.
It's also worth noting that I don't make a penny off that shop. That shop is the primary, most years the only, source of gold for my guild, and it has paid for many millions worth of guild purchases.
As for why they cost what they do:
1) I pay my suppliers. This ensures that I can reliably have suppliers (at least as reliably as anyone can in this game). If I was willing to let people work for me for free when they were in the mood, I would be able to sell those for a lot less, and I would always be out of stock of half of them. I believe people deserve to be paid a reasonable amount for their time and their investment of skill. People would rather work for me and get a regular income than get paid more but only very inconsistently.
2) I charge what people will pay. I'm selling them out regularly. I get those rings enchanted in batches of 50 and usually have to do a new batch every 2-3 years.
3) For other things (not rings though), I'm intentionally overpricing things specifically because I don't want to compete with the traders. For instance, my price on shields is way out of line. I stock them so that everyone can get a shield even when forgers are impossible to find, but I don't want forgers to feel like I'm driving away their business, and I strongly encourage my guildmates to go to forgers. Same thing for robes and quite a few other items.
It's also worth noting that I don't make a penny off that shop. That shop is the primary, most years the only, source of gold for my guild, and it has paid for many millions worth of guild purchases.
Kante2010-07-19 12:15:45
I also believe in paying people well.
Needless to say, when I need something done, people I've gotten :censor: from before tend to stop what they're doing to help me.
Needless to say, when I need something done, people I've gotten :censor: from before tend to stop what they're doing to help me.
Gregori2010-07-19 17:57:18
QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 18 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You kind of learn to just not argue with Xenthos, because any argument you start is never going to end.
It's also best to not mention Gregori's name, as well - five other people will show up with him on the forums, snark you, and then track down your character IC. It's like some sort of mafia.
It's also best to not mention Gregori's name, as well - five other people will show up with him on the forums, snark you, and then track down your character IC. It's like some sort of mafia.
I heard my name mentioned...
Unknown2010-07-19 18:03:07
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jul 19 2010, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I heard my name mentioned...
People should be careful when mentioning Gregori's name. I've heard that you
Unknown2010-07-19 19:01:05
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 19 2010, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm just saying. There is a reason that no successful real world business functions this way. You may make gold, but you'd make more if you ran the shop differently is all I'm saying. It would take more work, yes, but you'd get more out of it as well.
Not true!
Businesses will restrict their sales from time to time in response to market forces.
Lets say, you sell crab burgers at your restaraunt, and everyone loves them. In fact, the only reason they're coming to your restaraunt and not going over to eat at the Chum Bucket, is because of these burgers. Unfortunately, your absorbant fry cook can only make 200 of these a day.
One day, a heavyset starfish comes in to your establishment and wants to buy 190 crab burgers, right then and there. You know that if you sell them, you won't have any left to feed your other customers, and they will take their business over to the Chum Bucket. While you might make a good sale from the starfish, the overall loss of traffic through your door will result in a net loss of business. Therefore, you restrict the quantity you are selling to the starfish, either by pricing them high enough that he will only purchase a managable amount, or by directly setting a max quantity that can be purchased.
In real life, you see this in grocery stores, which take the latter approach. They want people to come through their door and not have the dissapointment of not finding what they want, so they'll put quanitity caps on particuarly good offers. Overall, the boon to customer satisfaction and traffic is worth the loss of the larger quanitity sales. (Edit- in fact, we see retail laws that indirectly force this! Laws against "bait and switch", making a great offer but not having enough in stock to satisfy demand. Meaning that, stores will take their great offer and put a quantity cap on it, so they don't run afoul of these issues.)
In lusternia, you might put your prices artificially high so that, when people really want an item, they'll come to you, because they're used to your shop being stocked. Other shops operating at fire sale prices might be found unreliable enough that people won't bother. This seems to be true, even with the ease of aethershop access and search commands. You go to CrazyBobs Herb Emporium because he has sparkle, but while you're there, you might just buy some chervil or yarrow, since its just one trip! Or recharge your rings, why not? After all, just like in real life, there are limits to what people are willing/able to produce in a given time frame!
Thendis2010-07-22 07:03:51
QUOTE (Rainydays @ Jul 19 2010, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Businesses
My best purchases ever where from Akui. Just throwing that out there.
Shamarah2010-07-22 13:33:31
QUOTE (Demetrios @ Jul 19 2010, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People should be careful when mentioning Gregori's name. I've heard that you
Let's not start that ridiculous meme here, it's way too
Shiri2010-07-22 13:38:03
Wait, Gregori is in league with Candle
Kante2010-07-22 13:41:03
Ha!