Okay the important part is the bolded part. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but why was the cost to raise even the first one doubled? I am just confused about this cause the current system only takes one million to raise, so we're upping that even further the first VA kept? The example seems to imply that we've been paying two million per ascendant under the current system, but maybe I misunderstood and that example is just using the costs of a new system.
Welcome to ex post facto punishment. It's prohibited in the Constitution.
EDIT: In which I mean, punishing someone for an act that wasn't illegal at the time of the action, but became illegal after.
Okay the important part is the bolded part. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but why was the cost to raise even the first one doubled? I am just confused about this cause the current system only takes one million to raise, so we're upping that even further the first VA kept? The example seems to imply that we've been paying two million per ascendant under the current system, but maybe I misunderstood and that example is just using the costs of a new system.
A wild guess would be in order to limit us from making super-demis for 500k power each.
Unknown2010-07-26 04:02:57
I would agree that refresh and shrink/expand weren't really things that unbalanced demigods, it was pretty much divinefire. Whoever is defending the loss of divinefire, I gain nourishment from your buttery tears. However, I'm not overly bummer that I won't be able to do that anymore for free, but I wouldn't mind paying in essence to get it back, depending.
I am interested and excited about the changes in store, so we'll see till then.
I have the same question like Gregori though - Why are you assuming the first ascendant is 2 mil? We've always paid 1 mil for them. So shouldn't it be 1 mil, 2 mil, 4 mil, etc. for ascendants 1, 2, and 3?
Also, I would like to know how much of a refund we're getting per ascendant stripped, we'd like to make plans now instead of later just so we can minimize the hurt feelings.
I am more than confident the prices for the various buffs will be manageable, but I do NOT support reducing the essence cost for raiding.
Krellan2010-07-26 04:07:53
Well not only the now rather than later, but once you implement, you've said that we can expect to have to decide within a week. But deciding ascendants isn't just a power move, it is also based on the surprises in store which we don't have full knowledge of.
Alternatively, when things get implemented, just give us more time than the week before the debts are set in.
Welcome to ex post facto punishment. It's prohibited in the Constitution.
EDIT: In which I mean, punishing someone for an act that wasn't illegal at the time of the action, but became illegal after.
Well... consider how long we've known this was coming, if it wasn't for the debt then orgs would have been trying to squeeze a few more ascendants in and they would have just sat there with ascension because as long as they are even moderately active the benefit to having as many as possible would out weigh reducing the price on a new one.
Well... consider how long we've known this was coming, if it wasn't for the debt then orgs would have been trying to squeeze a few more ascendants in and they would have just sat there with ascension because as long as they are even moderately active the benefit to having as many as possible would out weigh reducing the price on a new one.
How does this apply to all the ascendants raised before they announced it? That's what I mean.
Unknown2010-07-26 04:16:34
Also 'endgame pvpers' who suddenly feel like they won't be able to compete in PK after losing most of demi's buffs probably weren't all that good anyway.
Geb2010-07-26 04:19:59
I personally did not see a problem with anything Demis had including Divine Fire, and most of the stuff I did not use (can chalk that up to me not remembering I have it). Never bothered me when someone used DivineFire because there was a cost to it, and it could not be used for another hour. It was less bothersome to deal with in a fight than old TrueHeal, which could be used every 80 seconds.
Oh well, guess I will try to remember to use it these last couple of days while we still have it.
Eventru2010-07-26 04:20:46
I'm not terribly concerned about demigods being 'useless'. I've faith in two things. One, our ability to make intelligent decisions.
Two, the forums to explode with the agony of a hundred and fifty-seven crying endgamers.
Kidding (only kind of)! I was given the impression (as were several of us) that shrink gave demigod warriors 'too much' of a dexterity bonus from small size.
If the weight value of things is too much in any given direction, we can certainly adjust it (it's pretty easy to do).
Also 'endgame pvpers' who suddenly feel like they won't be able to compete in PK after losing most of demi's buffs probably weren't all that good anyway.
Personally, I'm looking forward to running around as a 'Vernal Kephera', as these changes seem to imply if you were raised before you were a Demi you'll go back without Demi, so there won't be Demi Raising Machines at all.
Personally, I'm looking forward to running around as a 'Vernal Kephera', as these changes seem to imply if you were raised before you were a Demi you'll go back without Demi, so there won't be Demi Raising Machines at all.
Even if that's so, I doubt you will be able to since they likely don't have a record of what you were at before being raised. =p
Unknown2010-07-26 04:26:23
Pretty sure ex-vernals will just be demigods+, not whatever level they were before getting raised.
Either that was a bad example from Estarra, or you go back to your original level it seems.
When a person loses Vernal by leaving an org, they drop down to Demigod. I seriously doubt they have kept information on what your original level was before ascension.
Krellan2010-07-26 04:33:04
sounds more like a you drop to regular demi and if you lose it then you have to earn it back to be that vernal demi
Or it could be for if they were to lose Demi/Titan for whatever reason.
Didn't think of that Unlikely that you'd lose both demi and titan, but technically possible I guess. Interesting that even if you did lose both, you'd still be better off than demigods, unless I've overlooked more obvious things or demigods get to keep more of what they have now than I am expecting them to.
When a person loses Vernal by leaving an org, they drop down to Demigod. I seriously doubt they have kept information on what your original level was before ascension.
No reason that couldn't be changed with the other changes though, with the originals grandfathered in.
Didn't think of that Unlikely that you'd lose both demi and titan, but technically possible I guess. Interesting that even if you did lose both, you'd still be better off than demigods, unless I've overlooked more obvious things or demigods get to keep more of what they have now than I am expecting them to.
How would they be better off? It's only as demis they get the extra powers... As far as I understood it, they'd only keep the "vernal" part of the race, not any powers associated with it.
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Unlikely that you'd lose both demi and titan, but technically possible I guess. Interesting that even if you did lose both, you'd still be better off than demigods, unless I've overlooked more obvious things or demigods get to keep more of what they have now than I am expecting them to.