Aubrey go find somewhere else to post, because that is not at all what we are talking about.

Also, is there anyway to mute people from CT/GT?

I get conflicting signs of 'anarchy'. I figure it's more 'very close to anarchy', but there's still a question of how far leaders can go.

Gods can do it. Or certain channel-blocking skills, but they're pretty limited (and also are attacks).

Aubrey, can you possibly go back to complaining about Serenwilde? You're not doing yourself any favors making yourself look so clueless about a topic regarding a city besides your own. We're discussing far more than any single instance here, and there was never any attempt to prevent anybody from contesting leadership positions - though, thanks for trying. Glad to know you listen to sensationalist garbage, I'll make note not to take anything you mention very serious.

I think the concept of a city of Freedom is very intriguing idea, if done correctly. Unfortunately, whoever decided that Freedom meant only having two laws didn't think the whole idea out. Anarchy is a nice political idea, but especially in a game like this, it will not work. Freedom, on the other hand, will. Freedom =/= no laws. Hell, look at America, where we style ourselves as the Land of the Free. We enjoy a heck of a lot of freedoms, but have you READ some of our laws? Holy shnickeys, in some places it is technically illegal to fish from horseback or sleep outside on top of your refrigerator (actual laws!).

I think a solution would be more laws to help define what that freedom means. Talk it over with Kalikai if you think that admin interference would be a problem-- even use OOC if you have to.

As I said, keep it civil. If your intent is to come here and incite people with trolling go play in tweets.

basically my point is: Yell at people when you have to but don't treat them like .

So much for civil, wow. I knew you guys were snarky but didn't think you'd jump to name-calling and insults quite that fast.

Also, logs aren't sensationalism. They're fact. But yes, continue with your lies and insults, I've said everything I need to say here, and people will believe what they want anyway. At least now they have the chance to know both sides. Since, you know, there is more than one side to everything. Well maybe you don't know that. But there is.

Have fun with the drama, guys. Serenwilde thread never got this nasty...

Kalikai actually gave us a good idea a while back that we started focusing on... but we put in one example based off Kalikai's idea and I got complaints from the "omg we are free" people! right off the bat.

In fact... I have been issued for making laws in Gaudiguch and I quote "ruining Gaudiguch by creating laws"

Other amusing United States laws include a Pennsylvanian? law that actually claims you cannot parallel park a horse.

On the topic of Gaudiguch's list of laws, I believe the intent was to not give so many laws because simply by having a large list of laws that could TECHNICALLY be considered common sense, you give an illusion of oppression. We really only figured we'd NEED two laws, I think - don't associate with enemies, don't bring trouble to the city/other citizens. I mean, there's all sorts of common sense things that could be laws but aren't - I guess maybe when writing laws, common sense should never be assumed, especially on the internet. Who knows, I didn't write those laws. I'd love to be able to enforce some kind of structure and order in the city, but.. considering that would violate our RP..

(Let it be known that in other threads, I've supported mechanics and safety of an org trumping RP, and here I still do, but it seems that by setting aside RP for the greater well-being of the org as a single entity, we'd be getting in trouble).



You showed up, dropped a tremendous lump of things that have no bearing on the conversation, and you want to call us telling you off as 'name-calling' - more to the point, you want to call that the other side of the story? I'm going to keep it civil and just say that you are pretty wrong. Nice try, though. Of course logs aren't sensationalism, but if you got them from the same person I think you did, you're listening to somebody with the thinnest skin and most paranoid mindset I've ever met in any IRE game, and I played in an assassin guild whose leadership changed hands no more than twice a month, back in Imperian.

You're the one that's making it nasty. Seriously, please go away.

You might have to say "Well, sorry-- get lost if you don't like it" and watch them cry as they run away. Especially if you have Kalikai's backing, the worst they can do is Issue you (which is a seriously lame thing to do for an IG problem), which I would expect to be quickly thrown out.

If the "omg we are free" people are anything like the incessant snugglers, they won't stick around long to fight you on it. They are shallow and aren't interested in Gaudiguch or Freedom or ideology-- they want to act like jerks because they "can". If you put up a firm resistance, they'll leave in a huff and find somewhere else to go. I hope.

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That's the very misconception you're trying to fight. Order and structure are not by themselves inhibitors of freedom. Taken to the extreme as in Hallifax's case, certainly. But even the freest of societies needs some sort of structure and order just to function properly. If there is SO much anarchy in Gaudiguch right now that it does not function, more structure is needed until Freedom can be freely exercised in an appropriate manner.

If it's not a law, it's not a law. People can and will use the excuse of it not being there to say it is not a law, common sense or no. They like to look for loopholes, too.

Also, if Kalikai gave the go-ahead for it, I'd think it would be fine, complaints or no.

Except telling people that is what caused all this and brings us to this thread.

Seriously? Did I call names? Did I tell people to "go away"? Did I hurl personal insults? No. So kindly stfu. This is the very problem with your little group, you can't handle anyone differing from you. Maybe that's why you have so much conflict. (And yes I know very well it's more than one incident.) If you don't want people talking about the other side of the story, don't bring your vile drama up here. I'm done, go ahead and keep insulting me, since you can't handle a normal two-sided discussion.

Night!

Question: Instead of telling them to "get lost" if they don't like it, what if you run it by Kalikai, get approval, state that you are temporarily implementing it as law for a trial period, then put it up after an IC year or two as a referendum question? If it does well in that time and isn't abused, it should win a referendum handily. If it oppresses people and they dislike it, it will lose.

That way everyone feels like they have a voice / say.

... We didn't insult you, and at best I made a request for you to depart the thread because you have a habit of making, well, posts like these.

I guess the truth can be insulting sometimes, but oh well. Sleep well!

Night!