I have an empathing script or I could make a script to go to rooms with slivven announced by the empath, kill them, and return to what I was doing. Let me know!

And, I can turret pretty nicely. Always up for the cause, just need to know!

Um, why make these bashing spots tougher for the rest of the playerbase who aren't Demis yet. A lot of people got to Demi this way, and now it should be made tougher and even more exclusive? Sorry, I don't want to be penalized for being unable to stay logged on for hours at a time to grind.

(just read the last page of this thread, don't know what the context is if there's more to it than that)

It's too late to make Demi hard to get again. If you screw over Aetherbashing again, you'll be saying "It's fine that all those OTHER people got Demigod the easy way. We just don't like you, Joe McMidbie and Frank Lowbles"

we're not referring to making it near impossible to get demi, but prior to aetherbashing it use to be significantly harder to get demigod. Aetherbashing just made it WAY tooo too toooooooooooo easy to gain demigod. It took a rl year or more for others to get it and people are getting it in a few months. Its not because we're already demi we want no one else to get it. Its moreso trying to make it more balanced so that its not just one single step out of newton straight to demi.

so how is it fair to say, you spent +however many months to get demi, We're taking away all the skills you worked your a-- off for! Oh, you can get two or three of them back, but you have to work for it

Getting them back isn't a chore as you already pointed out. You can aetherbash and get easy XP. Choosing not to aetherbash is a choice.

A choice you make.

Saying "I choose not to aetherbash, therefore everything should be set to my ability to gain xp" is not even close to a valid argument.

Saying "everyone can aetherbash, but not everyone aetherbashing makes that much xp per hour" is the only valid argument.

I don't think that making aetherbashing worse should be the goal.

I thnk the goal should be to make astral bashing better.

My 7 man all demigod crew on astral should be making more experience than my 7 man all demigod crew abashing (pilot, empath, 3 guns, slivven, siphon). Not only should astral be making more experience, it should make much more. These are super mob creatures with 7 people. AT this point you pretty much literally only can have demigods in the group or else it fails. It is also limited by insanity the recovery of insanity. Loss of aetherwill can be completely negated by rotating modules and furniture and artifacts a third of the price of a circlet.

So please, let us look to improve astral to make it the Demigod essence bashing ground. Aetherhunting can still be good for non demi's. Astral will be good for the demigods where the non demigods will have trouble surviving just due to the health difference from levels.

Also review essence cost on a siphoner basis not the minority who gets the most experience. At the very least average it out.

They aren't super mob creatures. Stronger perhaps, but don't exaggerate by using a term that is applied to denizens whose damage scales based off of people in the room and instakill low numbers with damage just about.

Just to put things into perspective, I think titan -> demigod is about the same as getting 20 million essence. Choosing any one of customlook/enter/teleport and you already need to bash another 75% of titan.

The only issue with Demigod was Divinefire, if anyone says anything else then they're fooling themselves.

You know, when you put it that way...

I've aetherbashed Titan->Demi nine times over!

Kind of how they said to the older people "It took you all over a year and a sick amount of game time to get demi but now we're going to make it so people can get it within a couple weeks"? If there is a problem, you fix it. You don't let it continue to be exploited.

That said I don't much care if how much is gained from aetherbashing is changed or not, I'd just like to see everything else (mainly astral) scaled accordingly. Makes no sense with how it currently is set up.

I'm worried that if the standard "if we change things, screw you, no refunds" policy (recently reinforced so harshly with that inexplicable 2/3 loss on the forced-forget-Ascendance) means we're all going to hold back buying anything until the inevitable recalibration, which will never come because we're all waiting to buy in. As someone with a ridiculously high amount of essence, I've bought in some just because I feel like someone's got to and maybe I should be the one to take a bullet for the team; but I bet in a week or two I'll be kicking myself for doing that. Even so, I've only spent 30 of my 50. I'm scared to spend anything else before the changes we have to hope are coming. But I'm also scared they're not going to come.

I feel like the more people buy into it now, the more we end up saying, "This is okay". By that logic, I don't plan to buy anything until there is fine tuning, or the admin say, "No, this is going to be how it is. Live with it."

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It's a fine theory except for one thing: that has never, ever, ever worked in Lusternia.

Quick, someone find Shamarah's list of all the things we refused to buy into, which are still in the same state they were the day they got put in and never got used. Nexus guardians should be near the top of that list.

The only thing that makes them change it is when we use it enough for them to be convinced our complaints are backed by real experience.

This is okay for things like abashing and nexus world battles, for comparison's sake. Doing one nexus world battle to see how it feels and hope you don't run into bugs, or going aetherhunting for an hour or two to get a feel for the difference between it and regular bashing... is vastly, vastly different from using up a commodity that might otherwise take you weeks to accumulate over again. If the admin don't understand that, I'd rather just sit on my hands, or possibly consider a different game to play.

EDIT: And really, if the admin can be concrete about it, that's another thing. If we get told "wait until next juliary and we'll get back to you", that's okay too... so long as "next juliary" doesn't happen to be in Otcober, in which case I'd have rather received a "no", and then I go look for other things to do.

Except I think weeks may be a bit of an understatement.

if there was more to come, though, for demigods-- aside from having every skill ripped away and given nothing in return-- why was this put into place so early... The outcome ends up in upset players, and more stress for the admins. If it was to release the idea and understand what else should be changed, theres always forums or test servers, right?