QUOTE (Estarra @ Aug 25 2010, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anything above those prices indicate an understock and anything under indicate overstock. Keep in mind that overstock can drive those prices quite low!
I know! I have been enjoying getting gems at 1gp regularly with enough persistence, patience, and risk, and this is one of the few parts of the new system I've been able to appreciate.
I think I'll avoid commenting on the list for now, though. But I appreciate that it is here. Now to make my get away...
QUOTE (Estarra @ Aug 25 2010, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Methinks you have trouble with bold!
Here's what the base prices currently are (subject to adjustment at admin discretion):
steel 200
gems 250
silver 145
marble 125
grain 30
meat 50
silk 125
milk 25
poultry 40
fish 35
fruit 20
wood 85
vegetables 15
eggs 10
iron 125
leather 65
coal 35
platinum 155
cloth 50
gold 150
rope 60
Anything above those prices indicate an understock and anything under indicate overstock. Keep in mind that overstock can drive those prices quite low!
Here's what the base prices currently are (subject to adjustment at admin discretion):
steel 200
gems 250
silver 145
marble 125
grain 30
meat 50
silk 125
milk 25
poultry 40
fish 35
fruit 20
wood 85
vegetables 15
eggs 10
iron 125
leather 65
coal 35
platinum 155
cloth 50
gold 150
rope 60
Anything above those prices indicate an understock and anything under indicate overstock. Keep in mind that overstock can drive those prices quite low!
This is all really pricy, but these are the ones that just scared me to death. Especially that leather one. Holy moly, I'm used to paying 10-15 gold per leather!Forgive me for not having the exact figures...
edit to add:
They totally are.
I'm okay with readjusting based on these prices as intended averages. It's very helpful to know what value you give things. Readjusting is the right word, I think. In many cases we were looking at the floor prices as the value prices, as finding these prices was easy enough to do either by questing or waiting for production tics.
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              what you thought      what we thought
steel                  200                75-100
gems                  250                108-150
silver                  145                50-90
marble                125                60-70
grain                    30                18-20
meat                    50                5-16
silk                    125                50-75
milk                    25                  10-12
poultry                40                  10-15
fish                      35                  5-16
fruit                    20                  12-14
wood                  85                  28-80
vegetables          15                  12-14
eggs                    10                  8
iron                  125                  60-90
leather                65                  15-30
coal                    35                  10-20
platinum            155                  80-100
cloth                  50                  16-40 Â
gold                  150                  80-90
rope                  60                  20-30
steel                  200                75-100
gems                  250                108-150
silver                  145                50-90
marble                125                60-70
grain                    30                18-20
meat                    50                5-16
silk                    125                50-75
milk                    25                  10-12
poultry                40                  10-15
fish                      35                  5-16
fruit                    20                  12-14
wood                  85                  28-80
vegetables          15                  12-14
eggs                    10                  8
iron                  125                  60-90
leather                65                  15-30
coal                    35                  10-20
platinum            155                  80-100
cloth                  50                  16-40 Â
gold                  150                  80-90
rope                  60                  20-30
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QUOTE (Estarra @ Aug 25 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, this simply indicates a baseline of what villages want their comms to be at their exact inventory level. Once their stocks go up enough above the base level, they would be more willing to lower their prices by double or even triple. (BTW, these baseline prices aren't really different from the baseline prices in the old comm system.)
They totally are.
I'm okay with readjusting based on these prices as intended averages. It's very helpful to know what value you give things. Readjusting is the right word, I think. In many cases we were looking at the floor prices as the value prices, as finding these prices was easy enough to do either by questing or waiting for production tics.QUOTE (Anisu @ Aug 25 2010, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now it is just a kick in the teeth for the already hard pressed to get customers trades like artisan and bookbinder.
And the Trackers! ~500-1000 gold per pit
.If anyone feels Talan's numbers are off, please challenge them and post your own. If you think they are accurate, please emphasize that this is a part of your player perspective as well. It's important.
Yeah. Tithes from villages were big, and usually sufficient for keeping an org supplied if they maintained a decent number of villages. In addition to this, the large passive production and availability of most commodities in villages made it easy to return to the price floor.
Sure, I can get gems down to 1gp per now. But since at this current time, all gems are produced on rockeater turn-ins, the number of gems I can actually buy up are notably few and farther between. Gone are the days of cramming a village full of dozens and dozens of rockeaters, buying them completely out, then waking up the next day to find 100~ gems back in the village general store.
So, the issue for me is not just shifts of price, but the general availability of commodities in places other than the org comm caches, which in turn would make tithe sizes more or less important depending on how it swings.
Which brings me to...
Maybe that's not how it was supposed to work (and there has been open admission as such with regard to ugly code and bugs), but that's how it did work, and it's how I, and other major traders, made the old system work for us. Telling me I have misinformation doesn't change what I actually did, and what others succeeded in doing, in the old system, up until all this was implemented.
Comm availability is down. Many consider comm prices to be up. Comm requirements for trades have all around doubled. I guess that's all fine for new players who have not experienced otherwise, but no one I've come across has yet to feel like the new system has improved their ability to function over the old.
But perhaps I'm putting too much effort into this, because I've invested too much effort and time into shopkeeping not to. Even as I make this post, I haven't seen any tithes since they were adjusted. So...
QUOTE (Talan @ Aug 25 2010, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Readjusting is the right word, I think. In many cases we were looking at the floor prices as the value prices, as finding these prices was easy enough to do either by questing or waiting for production tics.
Yeah. Tithes from villages were big, and usually sufficient for keeping an org supplied if they maintained a decent number of villages. In addition to this, the large passive production and availability of most commodities in villages made it easy to return to the price floor.
Sure, I can get gems down to 1gp per now. But since at this current time, all gems are produced on rockeater turn-ins, the number of gems I can actually buy up are notably few and farther between. Gone are the days of cramming a village full of dozens and dozens of rockeaters, buying them completely out, then waking up the next day to find 100~ gems back in the village general store.
So, the issue for me is not just shifts of price, but the general availability of commodities in places other than the org comm caches, which in turn would make tithe sizes more or less important depending on how it swings.
Which brings me to...
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Bug #13436 Resolution: Thank you for your bug report but you are under some
misinformation on how the comm system used to work compared to how it does work.
In any event, we are working on adjusting the new system.
misinformation on how the comm system used to work compared to how it does work.
In any event, we are working on adjusting the new system.
Maybe that's not how it was supposed to work (and there has been open admission as such with regard to ugly code and bugs), but that's how it did work, and it's how I, and other major traders, made the old system work for us. Telling me I have misinformation doesn't change what I actually did, and what others succeeded in doing, in the old system, up until all this was implemented.
Comm availability is down. Many consider comm prices to be up. Comm requirements for trades have all around doubled. I guess that's all fine for new players who have not experienced otherwise, but no one I've come across has yet to feel like the new system has improved their ability to function over the old.
But perhaps I'm putting too much effort into this, because I've invested too much effort and time into shopkeeping not to. Even as I make this post, I haven't seen any tithes since they were adjusted. So...
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Aug 26 2010, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But perhaps I'm putting too much effort into this, because I've invested too much effort and time into shopkeeping not to. Even as I make this post, I haven't seen any tithes since they were adjusted. So...
That's because us Trade folks are waiting until tomorrow to get tithe logs that won't spam 4 page lengths when we post them.
