Did Egran only use paradigmatics as well? That's my issue with it. Egran has skills other than paradigmatics too. At least, I hope they do. Those skills... they, you know... do things, right? Things that might have to be cured?

You can't test paradigmatics in a bubble. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to side with either end of this debate, I'm merely stating what looks like a problem with the testing method to me.

If all you need to know is "If someone only uses Paradigmatics... for god knows what reason... could they poochscrew you?" Then sure... sounds great. Just seems awfully silly to test that, though.


ETA: And, if Egran did only use Paradigmatics, then this whole thread really -was- just about whom could collect the most mushroom bruises on their opponents. Cuz I'm not sure anything valid could be gleaned from the original post at that point either, except that maybe further testing in a more real life situation is necessary. With multiple people of multiple archetypes. I certainly don't think it'd make any sense to try and balance a game around testing that contrived though, and any cries of "wtf nerf" are a bit premature.

I think I'll withdraw, it's too hot in this thread for me.

What are the chances on foresight and switchfate, anyway?

I think I've only ever seen them hit once each.

So, I have a log of Geb dealing with Badluck just fine, and him not really trying to do anything, and a fight that went to a draw until I ran out of phlegmatic.

EDIT: And me forgetting to send my bashing beast back for my PvP beast. That was pretty dumb. "Your beast has no venom sacs." Screw you too, Lusty.

EDITEDIT: And him leaving my corpse where I heartstopped. That was rather cool of him, and we don't always mention when people do the right thing. Kudos to Geb for doing the right thing.

Egran is:
Egran currently has 4996 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 55 health.
afraid of the world.
an insomniac.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 55 health.
afraid of the world.
gluttonous.
an insomniac.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 117 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon tells you, "Egran just exited to the up."
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4930 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 59 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4930 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 59 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4930 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 59 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4930 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 59 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4930 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 59 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon tells you, "Egran just exited to the down."
The time of this communique was:
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon tells you, "Egran just entered from the up."
Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon says, "Watch yourself Geb, an undesirable has just entered our presence."
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4988 out of 4997 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
addicted to elixirs.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
demented.
an insomniac.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
minorly warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
under the gaze of an oracle.
The time of this communique was:
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon tells you, "Egran just exited to the down."
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
an insomniac.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
overcome by dizziness.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4887 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 98 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4997 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 48 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
violently ill.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran tells you, "Out of phlegmatic. How dumb of me."
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4949 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 95 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
pacified.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
violently ill.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4854 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 87 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
pacified.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
violently ill.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 4398 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 150 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
suffering from epilepsy.
pacified.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
violently ill.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
anorexic.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.
The time of this communique was:
Egran is:
Egran currently has 3543 out of 4997 health.
bleeding for 91 health.
afraid of the world.
afraid of clothing.
gluttonous.
afflicted with the curse of the Aeon.
suffering from epilepsy.
pacified.
afflicted by unbearable shyness.
overcome by dizziness.
violently ill.
sprawled on the ground.
hallucinating.
demented.
anorexic.
unnaturally stupid.
paranoid.
agoraphobic.
claustrophobic.
a certified hypochondriac.
moderately warped in time.
suffering from echoes in time.


Sure, it went well. You do know adrenaline cures aeon, and if you do not have aeon it puts up the quicksilver defense? Also, I did not use any healing on myself or your at all, outside of succor so I could show this. Oh, and you gained no wounds on me, no major wound afflictions and infact the only thing that bothered me that you did was BadLuck. Yea, he got to use BadLuck anyway, though I refrained from using what I had to show just how great he is.

Those last 20 seconds would be me out of phlegmatic. Congrats on that, and thanks for leaving in the timestamps, so you couldn't claim that the whole fight was like that.

Edit to your edit: Actually didn't know that adrenaline cured aeon. System definitely isn't set up to handle that, either way.

Smells like a rematch to me!

You were able to move away most of the fight. Still, we can rematch though. You up for one.

This.

Also man all those mental affs are looking pretty overpowered to me.

Tomorrow sound good? Have to be up in less than eight hours, and it takes a few minutes for me to really calm down enough to sleep after a fight.

Pretty sure, almost positive, could have sworn he said.. he didn't care to fight under your artificial rules and wanted you to do everything and you agreed to that. So before you martyr yourself to much. Maybe what you really need to do is learn to read.

Also. This "post afflictions and say "I win"" is soooo like this dream I had 2 weeks ago that I shared with my clan friends the day it happened... I was in this peaced room (don't ask) and geb came running in and started firing off attcaks at me, which failed... cause the room was peaced. So I commented about his being amazing cause he attacked in a peaced room and his reply was 'It doesn't matter those afflictions would have killed you, the fact you let me enter the room and even try them proves I win"

Needless to say I woke up scared for one of 3 reasons... 1. my subconscious could formulate a :censor: excuse argument as well as Geb can. 2. Geb was trying to kill me in my dreams. or 3. I was dreaming about Geb to begin with.

He is a grown man, and can defend himself. So I decided to put artificial restrictions on myself anyway, and you see what happened. I can remove my own restrictions last time, and just go with it. Besides, if my healing was so poor as you two like to say, I should have been easily overwhelmed by his extremely competent work with the Axe, my inability to effectively change my stances, and my follow through on promising not to use any of the healing skillset but succor on him.

Actually I didn't say your curing was poor. I said it was poor month's ago when you posted your first thread. I said proper curing goes a long way and you decided to flex your e-peen and call me out for curing. Which as it so happened my curing against a researcher was quite poor (having only one line and for something you didn't even do), I suppose I could run off and make a thread about how OP researchers are to fit the pattern here, now, but I won't. I will just say that despite "my bad curing", you were unable to beat me. You can make any excuse you want about "oh badluck saved you. baaa baaa (sheep noises)" but the fact remains, I was curing off occasional diagnoses and we timed out.

Edit:: And I don't think you realise, that with every post you make talking about how well you handled badluck. You give us more credence. I mean if your goal is to tell everyone that proper curing goes a long way to handling badluck and greywhispers, you are doing admirably. Heck, you are doing better than we are at proving badluck is manageable, cause you have the little Geb fanclub who will see you saying "My curing handled bad luck, you guys suck" and then they will start saying it too. Keep up the good work!

Last post before bed, I swear.

Nine afflictions in 6.5 seconds by his log! No tertiary skill backing that up with extra afflictions. I want that with aurawarp and bedevil. Also, we better make sure that all wiccans/guardians can do something in the same league.

I would be happy if morrible gave afflictions with a variety of cures like even one of their gems does. Instead morrible is "smoke coltsfoot, add 1 point to temp insanity"

Focus mind cures 8 points.

Heck I would be happy if our ents were more useful (aside from sludgeworm) to people in the room instead of only useful if people leave the room.

From what I see in this log they have 2 gems giving passive afflictions including paralysis and vapours (neither of which hinder a person's offense though *cough*), 1 gem that seems to be an active skill giving afflictions (again chance to give paralysis), 1 mana drain, 1 ego drain... and then they have passive shielding and curing on top of that.. then if they are smart smart they have aurawarp, bedevil, and healing auras

Oh, right, this is a badluck thread, sorry.

How annoying, I requested things like this and it got rejected for being too combat-related.

I know, right?

Also, does Geb have two mist dragons?

Yes. I believe one is a technical beast and the other a technical manse dweller (or some variation thereof). Auctioned off ages ago, for I think over 3k credits each.

This was a good post and criticism.

The reasoning behind the nature of the tests I did with Kalin was straightforward. It was simulating what Egran did in the log with paradigmatics. As he is a templar, he didn't use the illuminati skills. This is why I mentioned this in the post, and why at the end of it, I stated that the test did not reflect a fight against an Illuminati.

So the situation, in terms of employed skillsets, is something that was seen- in fact, seen in the original log- the testing was addressing the OP purely, not the escalated nonsense of the rest of this thread.

Which makes sense. I just think if all Egran did was paradigmatics and none of the other skills in his (his? I can't keep gender straight around here, my apologies if I'm wrong) arsenal, then it seems to me the original post doesn't really prove anything... though then your testing is total valid in context.

Though I could see an argument made of "Well, if he only did that, then clearly it was overpowered" ... which would be fair, except that it was a bug which actually did the killing. Though, to be fair in the other direction, they didn't realize it at the time of posting.


I really wish combat mechanics and balance could be discussed without the need for several waaaaambulances for all the whining and the almost homoerotic circlejerk stroking of e-peens.

Not because it isn't amusing to watch sometimes, but mostly because it makes it very difficult for me to parse the topic for useful information.

I appreciate your honest and non-trolling response.

ISSUESTRIKE:

One could do a test against a Shadowdancer where the Shadowdancer doesn't use fae or Scourge or anything except Choke and Lash and Toadcurse. But your test is pretty pointless. A waste of time, even. And you should always seek to not waste time.