Clear example of what I'm talking about. If you aren't willing to cross that line, then you won't be top tier, it goes for anyone. If you want to improve, then do so, I even look over logs of winning fights to see what I can do better, and believe it or not, I still don't think I'm top tier. I died to Arte the other day because I ran out of willpower even though I dominated the fight (go go refresh me, which I now have but didn't then).

Sitting here and spouting off that there is no point because pointless deaths teach you nothing, that also isn't going to get you anywhere. There's a lesson in everything. If you want to improve you will. The only decent argument offered up has been Alianna's 'can't breed willingness' which is absolutely true. The best you can do here is lead by example. Show that you can have fun and learn even in the midst of dying.

and Iasmos, regretting releasing a free system, when you, yourself say that your greatest enjoyment is coding such systems (which I have to say I agree with, now that I've been taking a stab at my own, noobtacular coding system project thing), is kind of sad. If anything, you should be proud, but maybe that's just my feeling.

I think Sidd's point in regards to dying is that it seems that frequently, after one decisive round in Glomdoring's favor, the opponents give up, even if overall they have had the upper hand. The revolt last night is a good example. Magnagora/Gaudiguch/Serenwilde were winning in the fighting in Shanthmark. Glom/Celest/Hallifax people were dying repeatedly. The opposing side had more people and were performing better as a group. But after the mainly-Glomdoring group won one solid round, the others just didn't come back. Shanthmark should have been a fight between Celest - with the village feelings bonus, and Mag/Gaudi/Seren - with the larger and more capable group... but the latter just didn't return to the village after one losing bout.


This is some weird selective memory here.

Still wanting to vouch for mechanics here - was the shrine in Shanthmark taken down? If not, good luck getting anyone to try and trudge through that broken mess.

To be truthful about it, even if mag was running around stomping everyone else in the ground the majority of the time... That means we weren't influencing. We only have the numbers to do one thing at a time, not 2 and if we do try to do 2 then we'd just screw ourselves. We really had no hope to win the village and I'm sure cerens reasoning for being there was about the same as mine. To fight. At any rate, in the end our group got separated and taken out individually and then some had to go to work and other RL necessities that kept us from going back.

Also, want to agree with othero about a little conflict to break up the big circle jerk.

Oh wow... I can't believe I created this monster.... WOOT!

All of you just went bonkers with it... It's kinda of nice reading all of your replies and gives me hope that Lusty will continue for a long time to come. Keep on swinging!

I do want to add one piece of wisdom that my Kung Fu teacher told me. I asked him, "Will I ever be good enough to defeat you in a fight (i.e. kick your butt)?" He replied, "Only if I stop training."

Erm. Sidd was around the time when Glomdoring lost two constructs in a row (The Night Altar, look to Furien/Alianna for reference), when Crow was dead, when the Drums were down. Glomdoring had no villages nor any Domoths. Shuyin and Co. were still in Serenwilde. So...I'm not really getting why Lendren is saying Sidd has never experienced being on the receiving end of ownage :/


EDIT: This was back in the Celenwilde vs Magnadoring days, too. When Serenwilde/Celest raided Esano was Glomdoring's melder, heh.

I still remember that one time where people told me 'You know, it's Full Moon, you could kill Crow if you want'. I was all, 'Really?' and they said 'Yeah, just feed him the moonglory'. And so I did.

And now in retrospect, that whole fiasco of stealing essence in Moon Lake with artifact pyramids seems strangely justified.

When it comes to mixing things up a bit ... lots of rants and flames to be had if it does happen. I honestly don't even want to break up with Magnagora because of my mancrush on Vathael because Seren's next best option is probably to just curl up into a ball and isolate itself from the world. The problem will get so symptomatic they'll just Kephera the White Hart or something hilariously bad.

The upside of things like this getting split into a new thread is the hope that the actual point might be discussed in the extra space, and those who disagree with the hypothesis might attempt to counter it. The downside is that trhat pretty much never happens; the extra space is just used on more exploration of red herrings. It makes me nostalgic for the days when the presence of a T in "TBC" prevented discussion about the actual issue. Oh, well. When you lose an argument, don't be dispirited. Anyone can become a good rhetorician if they really want to.

from the horse's mouth itself

You just need 1-2 people to run around influencing everything with crusades while everyone else fights. I guess the big difference is in the motivation for participating. I disagree with Demetrios, in that it's not top tier fighters, but top tier leaders who are most valuable to winning. People will follow Ceren because he is very capable, but I'm not sure that he ever gets on ct and say, "Get to me now guys, we can do this, for the Engine!" Magnagora has plenty of very capable fighters, but the difference is that they fight for their own enjoyment, as opposed to an org victory. Top tier fighters are less useful to their orgs if they don't really give a damn about how things turn out, so long as they get in some sweet sweet pwnage.

"Winning" discussions is a rather hollow victory, I think.

"Winning" discussions seems to be all about disproving the "opponent", but simply "proving" your "opponent" wrong does not necessarily indicate that you are in the right. Simply that someone is unable to properly argue for their case does not mean that the case is a wrong or misguided one, only that the one holding the opinion is bad at defending it.

There are valid points spread out and about, wisdoms, even sometimes conflicting, applicable in some scenarios and not in others. Seeking to "win" a discussion usually precludes one from learning many of these, as ones mind is usually closed to keep up the barrier that is required to "win" an argument.

Arguments today seem all about just disproving the reasoning of the other guy, not so much proving your own as leading attention away from it.

It is my personal opinion, which probably means very little to many of you, that it is far better to be proved wrong and learn something than to insistently keep ones opinion for the sake of "winning" an argument, without once actually thinking deeply about what the other party is speaking.

Not directed to anyone in particular, just a thought. Honest.

Word. It seems to me like having 2 little influencers run around with crusade might be a bad bad idea, being that if one of the 15 people that weren't mag or seren were to get wind of it they would just get zerged and therefore useless. I used to be that "leader" until I got tired of a few people in mag and joined serenwilde to grief them and on the same token ceren himself has said he doesn't like to lead and would rather follow. On the other hand yes, he can tell you what to do in a fight, sure. He will have people follow him and tell them you do this and you do this. I guess you can say he is a combative leader, not a motivational organization leader.

Frustratingly unhelpful, demeaning, and pointless, isn't it? Today's lesson in intentional irony has been brought to you by the letter T.

Are we already at lolcats? That was quick.

The bitterness in you is so rampant, I can't take you seriously anymore, this is really just like that aethership thing, where people told you exactly what went wrong and because you refuse to admit that you may have indeed be wrong, you decide to call everyone else mean spiteful unhelpful people, in a much more sarcastic manner. You've really outdone yourself here buddy

I'm proud that so many people seem to enjoy the game using my combat system. I'm very disappointed to see what certain people do with it. I've taken my love of coding to other pursuits now, as I'm pretty much done with the free stuff.

With so much invested in this game time-wise and emotion-wise, it gets more difficult to separate myself from my character, and that's pretty much what prevents me from doing the hurtful things. I feel terrible most times that it happens to me, so why would I want to do that to others? Sure, I can rage against the ones who are attacking, but they have friends to back them up (very quickly, too) and there could also be collateral damage depending on what retaliation entails.

I'm a great follower, and we have lots of followers. Leadership is a real pain in the ass, and not many are good at it or willing to suffer through it.

Some of us are witty, most of us are pretty. Krellan will puke on you during revolts.



I have to agree with the fundamentals of Sidd's first post. You have to want it, but more than that you have to believe it. Even if Glomdoring was not in the dominating business (and business is booming) I would act like it was until it was. There is serious power in delusion.

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While Sidd may not have taken it as long, he definitely was around for a fair bit of it.