... like solid strength for warriors, and int for bards / guardians?

Seriously, more +damage is completely unnecessary in this game at this point.

Simply asking for it feels weird to me.

Edit: Oh, are you talking about debate damage?

Edit 2: Clearly you are, it's even quoted. Sorry, carry on!

Aslaran are fine as is


I think Illithoid illdrain could stand to to be cut in half. Make it so a demigod illithoid can only get 2500 more ego compared to 5000 and maybe add in an extra point of CHA to help that out

25 ego per level of the player sounds pretty great to me as well.

I agree, I would love actual charisma, illdrain does me 0 good after like 6K total max.

Oh you said for A point.. make it +2 charisma for -2500 max ego potential please. Be able to influence weakish things at that point.

Can someone explain why illdrain should be cut down? From my perspective, it offsets my painfully low charisma while still making influencing difficult and makes TK a viable specialization. The only thing that I can see is that it may make telepaths annoyed.

On the other hand, I am not an active combatant and do not know all of the nuances that go into it, so I'm really just looking for somebody to explain to me the reasons.

TK is more than viable enough without illdrain and forcefield, adding a point of con to reduce illdrain would be a better tradeoff, you'll gain more from the extra point of con than you would from the 2500 ego.

But I like forcefield

In all seriousness, that addresses my selfish concern, but I am still curious why you want it cut in half.

I would rather having enough cha to possibly influence :/

Though con is nice

Aslaran need a buff, really. Compare them to shadowlords.. yeah enough said.

So much to say. So little time.

But to focus on the subject at hand. I'd love to see more flavour abilities, and stat boost for races lacking in a chosen class. Though I'd like some of the flavor abilities to be more useful for everybody. Being an elfen mage I have no need for several of the flavour abilities mentioned by Xiel.

Rofl, comparing unspecced races to a specced one, next thing you know, people will say having guild skills is better than having none at all.

I'm pretty sure that's not enough said.

Funny that shadowlords are the ones in disagreement. I suppose not every race can get amazing bonuses with no drawbacks. Good point.

Edit: Or how about putting it this way- It must be very nice to have a race so nice that there's no reason at all for any warrior to be something else! Elfen/merian are pretty solid too specced; viscanti are garbage so we would like maybe a little variety. Maybe a little?

Still, apples and oranges man, apples and oranges.

In case it is not clear:

Specced races have been obviously made superior compared to regular races by design. To compare races with no specs to them in order to prove some point about them (nospecs) being subpar does not make sense.

If you want to compare aslaran to faelings, then compare them to regular faelings. And aslaran will still be fine.

Funny that you don't bother to explain, and instead try to /divert. Well done.

Kudos to you for liking xp gain more than offense.

Do you all really need aslaran vs slord broken down? Really? Help files should be sufficient. You probably just have the inherent thinking that your specced race should be better than all others.

human is more than enough to deal with what I have to.

Still diverting though, huh.

See, I feel like Shadowlord and Elfen Lord are pretty well in sync, and I think that's fine.

I also don't think, especially if you check the help files, that Aslaran are very far behind. Slightly worse, sure, but you're trying to make it out to be some huge gulf with no explanation whatsoever.

Alright, then we need to buff the rest of faelings too, so they match shadowlord faeling spec, I'm down with that, more +2 CON to the shadowsingers please

You realize that aslarans still have +1 str, +1 con on top of SL's right? I think Shadowlord is a great spec, but I still think it's comparable to aslarans, I don't really understand the issue you have

-1 str (offset by L3 bal and then some with the plentiful stat buffs available to reach critical str levels. Str above a certain point means absolutely -nothing- for warriors), +2 dex (simply amazing to have such high dex as warrior), -1 con (not a big deal, especially with the retarded amount of buffs that already ruin racial/class balance by taking away the weaknesses of such), -2 int (mainly effects surge, not a big deal), no weaknesses (nice), +1 lvl balance (nicer), +3 sipping (amazing) over aslari L2 fire weakness (significant penalty).

It is a gulf.

Edit: how could I forget L1 herb malus. +suck