QUOTE (Furien @ Oct 12 2010, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- To preempt Xenthos: buff Kephera, nerf Faelings. (:smug:)
Okay then, if you're going to do this, I might as well go for it!
Kephera have level 3 blunt / cutting resist.
The primary penalty for this is that they cannot wear armour.
They can, however, wear greatrobes and splendours. Since this is the highest form of 'armour' available to almost the entire game (excepting warriors), it means that this penalty is effectively non-existant for all but warrior Kepherans.
As such, this racial resist needs to be reviewed. Especially if racial damage penalties are halved, these two bonuses need to be dropped down to level 2 for simple balance reasons. Reduced penalty should mean reduced benefit, especially when the benefit is so high in this race's case.
Now, I don't see any suggestions thus far to give Faelings more con (our biggest weakness), so I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from; that said, Elfen Lords are still amazingly strong stats-wise. Note that I am going for the race that is broken, though, in terms of having a penalty that is not even a penalty to counter a very strong bonus.
Elfen Lords aren't really broken in that way; they just have no penalty to start with.
But to compete with Humans (again, no penalty), that's kind of important these days. It's rough for a lot of races to compete with Human. Elfen, Faeling, Illithoid and Kephera primarily manage it. I do think that Kephera manage it too well, of the group.QUOTE (Xenthos @ Oct 12 2010, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay then, if you're going to do this, I might as well go for it!
Kephera have level 3 blunt / cutting resist.
The primary penalty for this is that they cannot wear armour.
They can, however, wear greatrobes and splendours. Since this is the highest form of 'armour' available to almost the entire game (excepting warriors), it means that this penalty is effectively non-existant for all but warrior Kepherans.
As such, this racial resist needs to be reviewed. Especially if racial damage penalties are halved, these two bonuses need to be dropped down to level 2 for simple balance reasons. Reduced penalty should mean reduced benefit, especially when the benefit is so high in this race's case.
Now, I don't see any suggestions thus far to give Faelings more con (our biggest weakness), so I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from; that said, Elfen Lords are still amazingly strong stats-wise. Note that I am going for the race that is broken, though, in terms of having a penalty that is not even a penalty to counter a very strong bonus.
Elfen Lords aren't really broken in that way; they just have no penalty to start with. But to compete with Humans (again, no penalty), that's kind of important these days. It's rough for a lot of races to compete with Human. Elfen, Faeling, Illithoid and Kephera primarily manage it. I do think that Kephera manage it too well, of the group.
Kephera have level 3 blunt / cutting resist.
The primary penalty for this is that they cannot wear armour.
They can, however, wear greatrobes and splendours. Since this is the highest form of 'armour' available to almost the entire game (excepting warriors), it means that this penalty is effectively non-existant for all but warrior Kepherans.
As such, this racial resist needs to be reviewed. Especially if racial damage penalties are halved, these two bonuses need to be dropped down to level 2 for simple balance reasons. Reduced penalty should mean reduced benefit, especially when the benefit is so high in this race's case.
Now, I don't see any suggestions thus far to give Faelings more con (our biggest weakness), so I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from; that said, Elfen Lords are still amazingly strong stats-wise. Note that I am going for the race that is broken, though, in terms of having a penalty that is not even a penalty to counter a very strong bonus.
Elfen Lords aren't really broken in that way; they just have no penalty to start with.
But to compete with Humans (again, no penalty), that's kind of important these days. It's rough for a lot of races to compete with Human. Elfen, Faeling, Illithoid and Kephera primarily manage it. I do think that Kephera manage it too well, of the group.You're on, bro.
Wearing greatrobes and splendours is largely irrelevant anymore - who kills with damage? Except, you know, Fillin, with the Geomancer demesne (most damaging in the game) that has every advantage over the Kephera's weaknesses. It's all wounds, wounds, wounds. If you're playing female Kephera, you have a hard time avoiding wounds because your dexterity is abyssmal. Even as a demi, the best you'll be able to manage through continual shrinking + buffs is usually only 12 or 13. If you're not a demi, you're screwed on firing any Acrobatic dodge or most of your stances. If you're going to be male kephera, I guess all that's fixed, but the subpar int/cha and mediocre strength won't really make up for it. And the 'no armor' thing tends to mean you won't find male kephera warriors.
There are sufficient penalties to offset the tankiness, not to mention the abundance of fire, poison and asphyx damage in the higher level areas. (Former two being weaknesses, latter having very little resistances though Blue change helps alleviate this for some reason.)
If we want to tackle Faelings, it's hard to pretend anymore that h/m/e buffs are hard to get. The Throne of Urlach is universally available, almost, and the only one that could potentially monopolize it is Magnagora. CON buffs are widespread. There's also artifacts, if we want to go around the 'balance everyone at omnitrans' route, assuming we all have credits out the wazoo. Add amazing dexterity on to that for very stance/parry, and then enough charisma to excel in village revolts with little effort or penalty in addition to having access to the same charisma buffs the rest of the game has, then Faelings can be engineered to be absolute machines at what some people might argue 'everything that matters'. (And 'lulz' if the effect of Size ever gets re-implemented on top of that.)
And how are these penalties not even penalties, assuming you're talking about Kephera? It's still a setback.
