Mirami2010-12-10 07:09:06
The characters are all pretty true to the canon (all seven books). The order of events, however, will likely not follow the order of events in the books at all. Attempting to reconcile characters or events to the order of events in the books will produce a mild headache.
After all, the first person to die was Rita Skeeter, who was staying with the rest of you at Hogwarts...
If you can reconcile that to the books, I want to know where you bought them. There are seven more Harry Potter books I've never heard of
After all, the first person to die was Rita Skeeter, who was staying with the rest of you at Hogwarts...
If you can reconcile that to the books, I want to know where you bought them. There are seven more Harry Potter books I've never heard of
Unknown2010-12-10 07:09:32
Oh, yeah. I'm not really assuming what the extra roles are yet. I just used SK as one of the examples (Along with vig) because from the games I've followed, they seem like more common roles. Anyhow, I was more confused by the number six you through out. I don't get out of six people comment. Where does six come from? Or did you mean sixteen, I'm just really bad at inferring?
Unknown2010-12-10 07:10:28
Err, that was in response to Casi. Forgot to quote.
Casilu2010-12-10 07:12:10
Where did six come from?
Unknown2010-12-10 07:15:54
QUOTE (casilu @ Dec 10 2010, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And yes, it is kinda early to guess at a cult, but I really doubt the doctor got lucky on an SK out of six people and a random kill.
I bolded it for you.
Casilu2010-12-10 07:17:43
QUOTE (AllergictoSabres @ Dec 9 2010, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I bolded it for you.
Yeah, 16, I 'd up.
Trinit2010-12-10 07:35:18
Lemme make sure I understand, since I'm not really a Harry Potter fan. Death eaters are bad, order of the phoenix are good, ministry is good but misguided?
Unknown2010-12-10 07:38:38
QUOTE (Trinit @ Dec 10 2010, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lemme make sure I understand, since I'm not really a Harry Potter fan. Death eaters are bad, order of the phoenix are good, ministry is good but misguided?
By canon, it sounds like this is basically it, yes. Death Eaters == scum, Order and Ministry both possible represent the "town" or one or the other might be something else, but not necessarily opposed to the town.
Trinit2010-12-10 07:40:04
Alright, awesome.
Trinit2010-12-10 07:40:52
Random.org says 8, which is Vendetta Moreno, I think. He/She has been quiet, so I'll bide my time.
Unknown2010-12-10 07:41:15
I was going to make a post, but on second thought I'm too tired. Will properly put my thoughts into the mix after I've gotten some sleep.
Diamondais2010-12-10 11:02:01
These games always start when Im in bed, gonna wake up a bit and try and post before my lectures.
Ileein2010-12-10 12:18:47
Hmm. The fact that there are other win conditions isn't that surprising-- Survivor's a possibility, as are cult, SK, etc-- but since we only had one death, either the nightkiller powers are limited, they weren't used, or they don't exist. Or there was a fluke where the doctor protected the target, which seems unlikely but can't be ruled out.
It appears to be in the best interests of everyone to band together, but on the other hand there's a profusion of possible roles in both the OotP and the MM. Since the roles on both sides are fairly unlimited, it's easy for a Death Eater to make up a role and some powers and pass for townie.
It appears to be in the best interests of everyone to band together, but on the other hand there's a profusion of possible roles in both the OotP and the MM. Since the roles on both sides are fairly unlimited, it's easy for a Death Eater to make up a role and some powers and pass for townie.
Rika2010-12-10 14:52:43
Noooo. Only people like Shiri get night zero killed.
/dead
/dead
Gleip2010-12-10 15:11:05
In mafiaspeak, "Scum" is an informed minority, who may still very well be the good guys, while "Town" is the uninformed majority. Of course, in here the Order wins with the Ministry of Magic if first the fourth party goons are eliminated, and then The One Who Must Not Be Named And Who Shall Instead Have His Name Replaced With A Long String Of Oddly Capitalized Words Because He Is Just That Scary For Some Inexplicable Reason and his goons are killed.
Beyond that, people are trying to guess the mod too hard. SK. Cult. For all we know, the third party can be Fenris who is both SK and Cult. Nevermind the fact that Casilu seems to ignore the possibility of multiple doctors, roleblockers, jailkeepers, self-protection, or that multiple killers may have targetted Rika.
So to stop the guessing.
I don't like those posts above me. Yes, losing an investigator early on is bad, but the rest of the post basically suggests that others start revealing their own information. This isn't investigation-mafia, where everyone has some kind of investigation. Suggesting claims so early is bad. Especially in combination with the following post.
Not only have I never seen that happen, mostly because it would be a terrible idea outside smalltown mafia and utterly nullify one of the main troubles for a scum, namely figuring out the most dangerous powers and eliminate them, but if things are so, why on earth wouldn't they try to kill Fudge or Harry first? Without Harry Potter the Order can't win, and they need to kill Fudge themselves to win.
Vote: Vendetta
Beyond that, people are trying to guess the mod too hard. SK. Cult. For all we know, the third party can be Fenris who is both SK and Cult. Nevermind the fact that Casilu seems to ignore the possibility of multiple doctors, roleblockers, jailkeepers, self-protection, or that multiple killers may have targetted Rika.
So to stop the guessing.
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Dec 10 2010, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meh.
I'm going to assume there's other people with powers out there, who might have a better handle on things or are interested in sharing a little insight.
I'm going to assume there's other people with powers out there, who might have a better handle on things or are interested in sharing a little insight.
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Dec 10 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, this is true, but not especially helpful.
I guess we could take this and work on the assumption that the scum knows who everyone is, but I'd rather not try to read the mod's mind so early into the game.
The factional divisions are throwing me off too, personally. I am (surprisingly) utterly unfamiliar with the flavour behind this game, so I can't tell if the Order of the Phoenix is supposed to be a separate part of town or a true third party looking out for its own interests.
I guess we could take this and work on the assumption that the scum knows who everyone is, but I'd rather not try to read the mod's mind so early into the game.
The factional divisions are throwing me off too, personally. I am (surprisingly) utterly unfamiliar with the flavour behind this game, so I can't tell if the Order of the Phoenix is supposed to be a separate part of town or a true third party looking out for its own interests.
I don't like those posts above me. Yes, losing an investigator early on is bad, but the rest of the post basically suggests that others start revealing their own information. This isn't investigation-mafia, where everyone has some kind of investigation. Suggesting claims so early is bad. Especially in combination with the following post.
QUOTE
I guess we could take this and work on the assumption that the scum knows who everyone is
Not only have I never seen that happen, mostly because it would be a terrible idea outside smalltown mafia and utterly nullify one of the main troubles for a scum, namely figuring out the most dangerous powers and eliminate them, but if things are so, why on earth wouldn't they try to kill Fudge or Harry first? Without Harry Potter the Order can't win, and they need to kill Fudge themselves to win.
Vote: Vendetta
Ayisdra2010-12-10 15:12:57
Just a minor post to let you know I'm awake now and will post in about two hours after my classes....
From a quick glance, people are just trying to figure out the rules and win conditions and the such. I will read more when I get back but anything major I missed in my glance by?
From a quick glance, people are just trying to figure out the rules and win conditions and the such. I will read more when I get back but anything major I missed in my glance by?
Diamondais2010-12-10 15:34:34
QUOTE (Ayisdra @ Dec 10 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a minor post to let you know I'm awake now and will post in about two hours after my classes....
From a quick glance, people are just trying to figure out the rules and win conditions and the such. I will read more when I get back but anything major I missed in my glance by?
From a quick glance, people are just trying to figure out the rules and win conditions and the such. I will read more when I get back but anything major I missed in my glance by?
That's my understanding, aside from what Gliep just posted now, this is me saying I'm home and reading through the posts since I really didn't get to do more than skim them this morning.
Unknown2010-12-10 15:41:46
QUOTE (Gleip @ Dec 10 2010, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In mafiaspeak, "Scum" is an informed minority, who may still very well be the good guys, while "Town" is the uninformed majority. Of course, in here the Order wins with the Ministry of Magic if first the fourth party goons are eliminated, and then The One Who Must Not Be Named And Who Shall Instead Have His Name Replaced With A Long String Of Oddly Capitalized Words Because He Is Just That Scary For Some Inexplicable Reason and his goons are killed.
Beyond that, people are trying to guess the mod too hard. SK. Cult. For all we know, the third party can be Fenris who is both SK and Cult. Nevermind the fact that Casilu seems to ignore the possibility of multiple doctors, roleblockers, jailkeepers, self-protection, or that multiple killers may have targetted Rika.
So to stop the guessing.
I don't like those posts above me. Yes, losing an investigator early on is bad, but the rest of the post basically suggests that others start revealing their own information. This isn't investigation-mafia, where everyone has some kind of investigation. Suggesting claims so early is bad. Especially in combination with the following post.
Not only have I never seen that happen, mostly because it would be a terrible idea outside smalltown mafia and utterly nullify one of the main troubles for a scum, namely figuring out the most dangerous powers and eliminate them, but if things are so, why on earth wouldn't they try to kill Fudge or Harry first? Without Harry Potter the Order can't win, and they need to kill Fudge themselves to win.
Vote: Vendetta
Beyond that, people are trying to guess the mod too hard. SK. Cult. For all we know, the third party can be Fenris who is both SK and Cult. Nevermind the fact that Casilu seems to ignore the possibility of multiple doctors, roleblockers, jailkeepers, self-protection, or that multiple killers may have targetted Rika.
So to stop the guessing.
I don't like those posts above me. Yes, losing an investigator early on is bad, but the rest of the post basically suggests that others start revealing their own information. This isn't investigation-mafia, where everyone has some kind of investigation. Suggesting claims so early is bad. Especially in combination with the following post.
Not only have I never seen that happen, mostly because it would be a terrible idea outside smalltown mafia and utterly nullify one of the main troubles for a scum, namely figuring out the most dangerous powers and eliminate them, but if things are so, why on earth wouldn't they try to kill Fudge or Harry first? Without Harry Potter the Order can't win, and they need to kill Fudge themselves to win.
Vote: Vendetta
I suppose that's all fair.
I'm pretty sure I've played a game or two where that was the case, though they were smaller in general, and I could also be mis-remembering.
The first post was probably a remnant reaction from the last game, but as it stands, I also don't have too many qualms with revealing most everything about myself in this game. I may or may not be too useful outside of making a lot of suggestions and theory-spinning, and the last time I did that it didn't work out too well for me. And I'd rather not end up lurking lots this go around.
Ssaliss2010-12-10 16:57:35
Hmm. Lots of posts in a short time, which always happens at day 1. Sorry if this will be rehashing some earlier posts, but here are my thoughts on it.
First, the win conditions (quoted again):
From this, I can also only draw the conclusion that there are other groups about, meaning the Ministry will have a dickens of a time figuring them out before killing off the last Death Eater. I think we can ignore the "groups within groups" as far as the Ministry is concerned, since the DA, for instance, would likely win with the Order.
As far as the Order goes, I figure they all know who they are, and Harry is likely to be among them. It would be very hard for them to protect him otherwise. My guess for powers for them include some type of night protection, which will kill the Order member off instead of the person he's protecting. That's all purely speculation though, of course, but it would fit the theme.
As to the Death Eaters, I very much disagree with Vendetta that they know who everyone is. That would just make things far far too easy for them. (As a side note, you'll never hear me speak He Who Must Not Be Named name, since there very well might be some Bad things associated with that. And yes, I know someone already did and he's still alive, but I'm paranoid.)
For now, I won't place my vote on anyone. Vendetta has, as far as I've noticed, been the only odd one, and that's so minor it's not really worth my vote at the moment.
First, the win conditions (quoted again):
QUOTE (Romertien @ Dec 9 2010, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Order of the Phoenix wins when the Death Eaters are dead and Harry is not.
The Death Eaters win when the Order of the Phoenix and Fudge are dead.
The Ministry of Magic wins when all those who do not win with the Order or the Ministry are dead.
Everybody who does not win with one of these groups knows their own win condition.
The Death Eaters win when the Order of the Phoenix and Fudge are dead.
The Ministry of Magic wins when all those who do not win with the Order or the Ministry are dead.
Everybody who does not win with one of these groups knows their own win condition
From this, I can also only draw the conclusion that there are other groups about, meaning the Ministry will have a dickens of a time figuring them out before killing off the last Death Eater. I think we can ignore the "groups within groups" as far as the Ministry is concerned, since the DA, for instance, would likely win with the Order.
As far as the Order goes, I figure they all know who they are, and Harry is likely to be among them. It would be very hard for them to protect him otherwise. My guess for powers for them include some type of night protection, which will kill the Order member off instead of the person he's protecting. That's all purely speculation though, of course, but it would fit the theme.
As to the Death Eaters, I very much disagree with Vendetta that they know who everyone is. That would just make things far far too easy for them. (As a side note, you'll never hear me speak He Who Must Not Be Named name, since there very well might be some Bad things associated with that. And yes, I know someone already did and he's still alive, but I'm paranoid.)
For now, I won't place my vote on anyone. Vendetta has, as far as I've noticed, been the only odd one, and that's so minor it's not really worth my vote at the moment.
Unknown2010-12-10 18:07:17
QUOTE (Ssaliss @ Dec 10 2010, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(As a side note, you'll never hear me speak He Who Must Not Be Named name, since there very well might be some Bad things associated with that. And yes, I know someone already did and he's still alive, but I'm paranoid.)
That is an interesting aside, actually, especially considering we've seen something similar on these forums (DOTA mafia with people exploding when they mention techies comes to mind instantly).
Would you suggest not talking so much in flavour terms as in standard mafia terms, so as to avoid anything else like this?