Midnight Crew versus

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Unknown2010-11-16 05:15:13
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6 - Die

Named for the number of sides on a standard cubic die, and 'die' as in death.

Die carries a voodoo doll, and a number of pins, corresponding to both The Felt and the Midnight Crew. When a pin is inserted into the doll, the holder is warped to an alternate timeline defined by the death of whoever the pin corresponded to, although the nature and time of death vary greatly. Die uses this skill to settle grudges with other members, by warping to timelines where they are no longer alive. Since every member so far has died of Midnight Crew-based complications, this usually causes him to appear close behind whenever a member of The Felt is murdered. When Die attempted to get rid of Spades Slick via this method, he found himself in a barren alien landscape -- affording Slick's assertion that he "made this town" a more literal meaning. He pulled Slick's pin shortly after, reappearing in the current timeline, where Spades Slick helped him live up to his name.


Straight from the wiki. Read more, Rika.
Unknown2010-11-16 05:20:53
I'm wondering, what was Lorick's powers? After all, Casilu revealed Phoebus' powers, but not Lorick's.

Also, Phoebus being scum means that I have to reconsider some of those on my suspicious list. Time to re-read the thread again.
Unknown2010-11-16 06:10:59
QUOTE (Caerulo @ Nov 15 2010, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm wondering, what was Lorick's powers? After all, Casilu revealed Phoebus' powers, but not Lorick's.


Pretty sure it was roleblocking. Crowbar's crowbar stops temporal tomfoolery.
Unknown2010-11-16 07:39:06
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Nov 16 2010, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty sure it was roleblocking. Crowbar's crowbar stops temporal tomfoolery.

Yup, that was my guess as well, but unlike Phoebus, Casilu didn't confirm what Lorick's power(s) was/were( not).
Casilu2010-11-16 07:45:55
QUOTE (Caerulo @ Nov 15 2010, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yup, that was my guess as well, but unlike Phoebus, Casilu didn't confirm what Lorick's power(s) was/were( not).


fyi, I just quoted the role PMs.
Unknown2010-11-16 07:47:10
QUOTE (casilu @ Nov 16 2010, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
fyi, I just quoted the role PMs.

Alright, so if the role PMs don't confirm the role, we don't get the information?
Rika2010-11-16 08:11:39
I really don't think it's a good idea to go down the path of making guesses as to what MSPA characters has what powers and did what action.
Unknown2010-11-16 08:25:51
Alright, here's my list of suspicious people so far:

Othero
Protecting Phoebus, Phoebus unvoting on him because he's in 'ninjalynch range' while only at 5 votes as opposed to 8 votes needed.

Arix
On top of the strange Arix vs Rika thing, Phoebus tried defending him in this post:
QUOTE (Phoebus @ Nov 10 2010, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, there's prooobably only four scum, since there are four members in the Midnight Crew (not counting SMK, who may or may not be included. Probably not.) I agree that trying to say "oh the Joker is obviously a bad guy, so obvious" is pretty silly- even if the cards have anything to do with the roles (sincerely doubt it), the Joker doesn't necessarily have to be associated with "bad", in fact, it could be Clover, since he loves riddles, and his role is probably some sort of powerblock or death avoidance thing. I think trying to say "let's vote Arix because Casilu is crazy and jokers lol" is pretty silly regardless of if the cards hold any meaning whatsoever- almost as silly as the argument that's been happening after it!

So...basically...

I'm still undecided. Blar.
Arix2010-11-16 09:42:09
...

Gee thanks Phoebus.

She does have a point though, this is not Batman where Joker= bad. I'm not really sure what the joker means card wise, except maybe that it's a wild card. But I don't really see anything about my specific character that is Jokerlike, but I'm really not sure what would be considered jokerlike in the first place, soooo yeah
Diamondais2010-11-16 11:11:12
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Nov 16 2010, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, Silf, if we all start talking in circles again, someone's bound to suggest lynching another inactive. Do you really not have much else in the way of insight to bring up now? Couldn't hurt!

Which could really work against us if we started to go after another inactive, and they turned out to be a town member again.

Unless we have a doctor figure, it's just looking like a lucky shot, a very nice lucky shot.

Anyways! Again sorry about the last few days, I had a guest I hadn't seen in a few months and I was determined to spend time with him.

Arath was correct about his thinking Phoebus was scum, whatever the "trap" was. I'm still not sure about that trap but eh, unless he somehow turns very scummy, I'd think him a fairly safe person for now.

I think we really should put the card thing to rest, as I said before, I don't believe there to be any connection at all between the roles and the cards we chose. Whether Arix is a vig, SK, scum or town is yet to be proven and there's no real proof to go in any direction with him yet.
Kiradawea2010-11-16 13:20:00
Likely yes we do have a doctor. I don't see the scum forfeithing a kill, so a clever doctor seems the most likely to me.

I am also in agreement with Dia. Despite his odd behaviour yesterday, Arath was one of those who pushed the most for Phoebus. Those who were the most defensive around Phoebus, that I can see, were Ileein and Othero, so I suggest we turn our focus on them.
Unknown2010-11-16 14:13:37
Or, it could be a roleblocker targeting the scum doing the kill. This possibility was why I wanted to know if Lorick was supposed to be our roleblocker.

Some possible information to keep for future:
If we have a doctor and no more roleblockers, whoever the doctor protected last Night is very likely to be non-scum, or at least non-Midnight Crew.
If we still have a roleblock and no doctors, whoever the roleblocker blocked last Night is very likely to be scum.
If we have both, then both of the above are possible, with the probability down to slightly less than 50-50.

The fact that Phoebus is dead though, doesn't give us 100% confirmation on the statements above, because the scenario stated by Vendetta is possible as well.
Unknown2010-11-16 14:17:03
Some thoughts on random people.

Arath: Agree that he's less suspicious today, due to his pursuit of Phoebus

Rika: Fixation on Arix being SK; she acknowledged suspicions brought up but felt that the Joker/passive-aggressive argument is stronger for the most part
- Agrees with Othero/Phoebus suspicions at the time, but goes back to Arix/Joker
- Jumps on 'defensiveness' as backup for vote
- "Pretty much told us he was an SK right there"
- Questionable reason for the above, citing actions in a previous game
- Agreement with then-sentiment about Arath's voting, but goes back to Arix
- Conclusion that Arix's aggro defense is more telling than any of current suspects (Arath/Othero/Phoebus)
- Sudden change over to Arath because "nothing happened", to get more information and prevent stagnation

Very strange obsession that also gives her a good way to look productive while not actually contributing much to the discussion at any given moment, except to relate it to Arix. Just about every post has been about voting for Arix or directed towards Arix, except when she joined the largest train at the end (Arath).

Ileein: General weird off-feeling. A few posts I found weird are below.
- Defends Phoebus (however, not incriminating, could pass off as simple personality-knowledge)
- Agrees with Rika's anti-Arix reasoning?
- "Sacrificial lamb" (pointed out previously by Caerulo)
- Strange unvote reasoning

I'm especially suspicious of the "sacrificial lamb" post, though I might be reading too much into it. In that one post, he mentions that he's "cognizant of the fact that we're probably bandwagging for no real reason" and "we will regret this later" but need information, AND apologises if Othero "turns out to be a sacrificial lamb." He explains it later in this post, but I found the overall wording of the original post to be less than innocent. It smells a little too much of scum-knowledge with the 'apology in advance' for voting for a person they would know is innocent, despite the probability defense.

I don't know, really, but I'm going to tentatively go with a Vote: Ileein for now, due to the above and the results of last night.
Kiradawea2010-11-16 14:27:03
On the whole, I personally wouldn't be surprised if we had a Phoebus/Rika/Ileein/Othero scum team. Of the remaining though, it's hard to pick one over the other. But, I can get behind an Ileein vote. Vote: Ileein.
Ssaliss2010-11-16 14:38:21
Personally I'm pondering if the whole Arix-Rika thing is just a ruse, and they're both scum... Not that there's a whole lot to support it, aside from Rikas hostility and Arix not posting anything of substance or voting at all. The other suggestions are equally good (if not better), of course; it being a ruse is just a feeling I can't shake. Rika is definitely the scummier of the two though, so based on that:

Vote: Rika
Unknown2010-11-16 15:14:13
As pointed out by Silferras, I've already found Ileein's use of the term 'sacrificial lamb' suspicious. His explanation of his use of the term is odd as well, making it sound like we're simply randomly picking a victim.

Furthermore, he seems oddly focused on mentioning about a third party:
QUOTE (Ileein @ Nov 8 2010, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm. Four scum does seem kind of small. Perhaps there's a third party somewhere? The Homestuck Kids? God help us, the Trolls?

In restrospect, trying to puzzle this out with information that approaches zero asymptotically from the positive side is really bad for one's health, especially vis a vis the presence or absence of a headache.

QUOTE (Ileein @ Nov 9 2010, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good heavens, the venom.

Also, I am now convinced that the third party is the Lollipop Guild, the rival organized-crime family based in Munchkinland. Fear their diminuitive yet fearsome enforcers, lest they cut a censor.gif. I.e. you.

when we're not even sure if there is one. It could be an attempt to direct attention away from the Midnight Crew.

Lastly, this post after the lynch:
QUOTE (Ileein @ Nov 16 2010, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm. Too late to really review this-- a mafia lynch in the first round? That's more than I'd expected in terms of information to mull over. Will look more closely in the morning.

Seems pretty strange to me. There's a oddly negative tone to this post, considering that we've managed to down a member of the mafia. For that reason, Vendetta seems slightly suspicious as well, although at least his is not so negative as Ileein's.

Also, his posts throughout the previous Day had been lacking in actual speculation. Like Phoebus, he posts about MSPA (the setting) more than the mafia game itself, although he posts less in general.

Hence, Vote: Ileein
Ayisdra2010-11-16 15:57:25
Perhaps a common theme, on player side that is, is maybe the mafia are those who know more about MSPA then the rest of us?

While it might be a bad idea, maybe if someone roleblocked someone last night, it might be useful info...
Diamondais2010-11-16 16:11:28
QUOTE (Ayisdra @ Nov 16 2010, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps a common theme, on player side that is, is maybe the mafia are those who know more about MSPA then the rest of us?

While it might be a bad idea, maybe if someone roleblocked someone last night, it might be useful info...

It's very unlikely that that is the case, I'm sure Casilu doesn't have insight on every webcomic we all enjoy reading. laugh.gif



Kiradawea2010-11-16 16:19:45
The only roleblocker I can see now would be a Jailer. There's rarely two roleblockers in a game, unless Casilu is running around with apprentice roles, but they usually take over for the Doctor or Cop, and not roleblockers.
Unknown2010-11-16 16:25:14
Since there doesn't seem to be confirmation forthcoming from the mod, I'll say this - Lorick wasn't a roleblocker.