UNVOTE

VOTE: RIKA

Rika: How (why) does the Evidence, prove Othero is Innocent?

Your logic, as far as I can tell, goes something like this:
-Romertien and Caerulo Investigated Othero (fact)
-(No warrant)
-Therefore, Othero is Innocent. (claim)

You're missing a step in the logical argumentation above.

What if it was just an outside job? We go through this whole thing, each one of us convinced of our own innocence and trusting no one else, and after all the blood washes away, it turns out that it was never any of us after all. Maybe it was...A GHOST. WooOoooOo.

Just making a dumb comment while I try to figure out what I'm doing in terms of a vote. You're all getting so defensive and paranoid that it is hilarious, but at the same time it's making it hard to pick out which one stands out as being most suspicious.

Lots of silence ends with death by cheezburger.

Because your evidence is too loose at the moment. I really miss how I'm some sort of good vote when I've been honest and upfront on my powers. You keep going "but you bought anger management books so you must be a killer!". Why not vote Tekora then? Tekora bought D&D, meaning she is a satanist, and an obvious killer.

Or your evidence still doesn't make sense and is too loose to pin anything on me.

To build off of that, Romertien might want to go back and look at diamondais' role, too. The more I've thought about it, the less I think that using role flavour in this game as your primary leverage will work to your advantage in this game. It would be much more helpful (and useful) to look for typical scum signs and use what actual information we have available.

Has everyone Othero called so far been home while they've been out? If there's anyone left who can go out and about during the night, maybe Othero should call them so that we can confirm. If we know people are staying at home at nights, with certainty, then that is useful information we can use. If they can go out for a while, come back, and still receive the call, however, that isn't so useful. If he can get a missed call at some point, maybe we'll figure it out.

And er, did Phoebus learn anything about Caerulo? I swore she tried to diagnose him or whatever.

Sure did! You must have overlooked my post, which I will quote again here for convenience.

Oh, okay. So Caerulo is accident prone and needs to store more arnica in his rift. Maybe he's a carpenter?

Tekora brought up an interesting point about Rika starting the No Lynch vote. Who all voted for No Lynch, and did anyone vote on and off for it over time, or did everyone stick with it until it was pushed through?

I started the no lynch, yes. When the discussion looked like it had died down and Gleip had warned us that if nothing happens in 24 hours, we'd lose a random townie, I went with the Othero train just to get more information. Once we got that, I felt I could trust him so went with no lynch again.

I'm a salesperson. I'll imagine this is how my nightly sales pitch goes:

*knocks on door*
Door opens
*slip foot in to stop door from closing*
Me: Hi, I'm a salesperson, would you be interested in-
SLAM

*limps over to the next house*

*knocks on door*
Door opens
Me: Hi, I'm-
SLAM

Me: Nuuouch.

Erm, I'll post a more constructive post when it isn't 5am.

@Vendetta: With regards to as to whether Othero's power checks out:
I've already asked twice about this, once last Day, and once more again:


Both times, he simply ignores the question.

Also, he claims that Phoebus was out at night, Phoebus said she didn't do anything at night, but no one claimed that they targeted her.

Edit: For clarification about the point about Phoebus, I was referring to Night 0.

Honestly? I don't really know. I wasn't given info back on them. Though Vendetta didn't say that he didn't do anything the first night, just that nothing happened. So I don't really know what they were doing those nights but as far as I know they were not home.

Though I'm sure this doesn't matter. This is the 10th time or so that I've explained my power and someone is still going to mess it all up. Lets spend another couple pages going back and forth on how I've got to be a killer because of books or something when we've got people who've either gone insane, Tekora, or have stayed silent through this.

I'm kind of leaning towards Romertien at the moment, just because I'm not crazy about the whole "guilty until proven innocent" vibe. If that keeps up, she'll have a quick ticket to the lynch train eventually, once it gets a townie or two killed.

Vote: Tekora.

Why? His method of arguing things as irrefutable fact based on people's purchases and flimsy logic is kind of really annoying. We obviously have to piece together information from a lot of sources here and try to make an informed decision, not just go U MAD SO U KILL OMG It just seems suspiciously pushy, and overly determined to convince us that one person is scum based on a few things that hint at their not being the most stable person, even though we've had confirmed town members with violent pasts and tendencies to invade personal property.

These are all my posts of substance so far.



When did I ever say anything about people's purchases? When did I ever claim something about someone without directly quoting or citing something they said?

WHERE IN ANY OF MY POSTS HAVE I EVER BASED ANY DECISION OR CONCLUSION ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN HARD FACT?!

When I play Mafia, I don't do anything without having solid, quotable evidence to back it up. The fact that you're coming up with this argument OUT OF NOWHERE with absolutely NOTHING to back you up tells me that you're either throwing at the wall to see if it sticks, or you're purposefully trying to discredit me before I spot a mistake that you make, just like I pointed out Rika's mistake.

STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GAME'S FLAVOR. START PAYING ATTENTION TO PEOPLE'S MANNERISMS. Mafia is about PSYCHOLOGY, not DOUBLE GUESSING THE MOD!

And if you think I'm wrong, remember what happened during my Touhou Mafia game.

Calm down?

If he did, it'd be breaking with his style.

Hey, how did Rika figure stuff out about Tekora's history, anyways? It just popped up suddenly. I guess she feels like Othero's spending habits aren't as damning because he'd have to have been out buying things, whereas we can't say much of anything about what Tekora's been up to?

Unvote Vote: Tekora

Lets just end today. You might think you're being reasonable and full of logic, but you're not. Everything you throw out as evidence gets shot down, you jump on non-existent mistakes and you're pretty much taking a giant crap on the game and completely mucking it up. If anything you're scum who's trying to bring everyone to a stop.

Because that's my job?

Well, if I die, I hope all y'all take another look at Rika and/or Othero, because something is borked with their logic.

That being said, though, I'd prefer a better logical defense for Othero than 'He was investigated, therefore he is innocent', when the investigations show as much scumminess as we've seen out of investigations thus far (Rage control books, calling strangers in the middle of the night, violent video games...).

It's not a 'guilty until proven innocent' view so much as 'the evidence points to guilty' sort of view, and I haven't seen a reason that said evidence supports innocence. The most I've gotten out of Rika is that because we investigated Othero, he's innocent, and I've asked a few times now for clarification, and gotten little beyond 'it's flavour, so it doesn't matter'. Which I don't buy.

At this point, I can run with Othero being innocent. What I can't run with, is the logic used to back it up. Hence why my vote is on Rika, and not Othero.

Also, @Vendetta-- I'm assuming that I 'go out' during the night to look at the books (I doubt I bring my shop's records home with me). So, if we want to use that as a test of Othero's powers, go for it. I'm planning on checking Rika's shopping history (Bringing those I've checked to Tekora, Othero, Rika), assuming she and I are both alive.