The bull altar and an accompanying area with cairns/dryads, it's a nice history quest but is more of a Shofangi thing.

We could always look into updating the shared skills flavour text so that it reflects natural and Wyrd respectively.

Briars, Roots, Spores, Pollen, Treelife, Treebane, Thorns, Swarm, etc.

Examples:
Glomdoring's swarm would be the wasps found in the hive, where as Serenwildes would be a species of bee that would be appropriate. Edit: hornets for Seren? Save honey bees for Ackle.

There are a large variety of poisonous flowers that could be substituted for the plants that release the pollen in the skill, or as a minor connection to their respective wiccans as follows of nature, the bluebells and foxgloves could be the flowers that are used.

And this could go on.

Not sure about bluebells/foxgloves, just due to the pita that is acquiring them. I'd be weird to have druids wandering around summoning them at will.

The flowers, not the fae.

I understood, but getting the flower is what lets you summon the fae...

Imagine spending an hour or two trying to get just one of those flowers and then having a druid look at you with a smirk and casting pollen causing them to pop up all over the place.

I know ooc they're not there, but ic it would be annoying.

I always viewed those as being different, the influence of the Gardens and Ethereal plane allowed the Fae to form.

I like how Serens (primarily Saran) are the main ones concerned about the RP aspect of scorpions being part of a Glomdoring meld...

As far as Glomdoring goes, they're not any different than Seren's squirrels to me. They also fit into Glomdoring's whole feel pretty well, so, it's not really that big a stretch.

Not so sure, my interpretation is that you are actually summoning the spirit of that specific flower, same with the snoefaasia. You plant the seed and it is bonded to you, should it die then you can't summon your bluebell/foxglove any more... because it's dead, it's not really sad just a part of nature, if it were simply about being allowed to summon the fae then your ability to summon them would not be directly tied to the life of the plant.

Only one Seren mentioned anything about Scorpions.

And he's the only one strenuously posting against it, too. The 'primarily' was intended to get across the point you just made here; the basic gist of my point is that the only one who is upset by the idea isn't even a member of Glomdoring nor involved in any way with the Glomdoring's feel, and does not even have to worry about 'dealing' with something that really does make sense to include. The stated objections feel a bit... awkward, to me, from that standpoint.

Ah, fair enough, it's because you said Serens that I got confused.

Again, I just find it weird. If serenwilde had one room describing bulls and someone decided that it was reason enough to throw bulls in for stag druids I'd be having the same reaction. There is also the whole, after looking at crow druidry and with some minimal thought I have something interesting there, if Viraboo made scarabs. Plus, there are many more prominent features to the forest that could be drawn from that wouldn't reek of "Ooh now Nekotai feel included cause we summon scorpions"

Spiders are already included in the demesne, and Scarabs already exist (that is one of the Blacktalon skills, in fact!)

Spiders are the 'primary' creature imo, with beetles (scarabs), wasps, and bats taking up the rest of the spots. Wasps are included in the flavour message for wyrding, so only bats are really left out... and a bat isn't really all that demesne-oriented, to me.

At that point you're down to the other creatures roaming through the forest, and thornbeasts are not really Glom-oriented. It's not like we worship thornbeasts or accord them any special recognition, any more than we do spore-grass. We just kill them when we need to and move on with our lives (and turn them into Gibber-soup when needed).

Scorpions, at least, have a higher place in Glomdoring at this point (and make more sense) than the other creatures you're trying to ooh and ahh at, which is what I find weird; that you're asserting some kind of insider knowledge of the Glomdoring's culture to put down an idea, when your knowledge would appear to be foundationally insecure.

You would be much better arguing that Grandmother Scorpion is not a part of the Glomdoring directly, just in a support role, and prefers to stay out of conflicts / fights. That argument at least makes sense (and is the one I would expect to see from Estarra). This one you are putting forth does not, to a member of Glomdoring.

Yes, as someone who has no overly deep connection with glomdoring this one suggestion has stood out. Especially as it had to be pointed out to a member of Glomdoring that there were actually scorpions in the forest.

I'm not sure how I'm pretending to have some kind of insider knowledge, I will gladly state that I do not play there. All I can do is think about what I have heard of Glomdoring, look at the skills and then comment that putting scorpions in druidry feels odd. It is also slightly more interesting to me to think that raven/crow has been calling Viravains creations into the forest to help him defend it, but that's just the outsiders opinion.

I have little interest in following it much further. If you like, perhaps rather than trying to go with the whole "oh you are a seren" and so on, perhaps you could offer some suggestions for where thematic improvement and differentiation from other guilds could be made as the font of knowledge on Glomdorings culture?

I've always viewed Glomdoring druids somewhat similarly to the Golgari.

There can be an emphasis on the decay, the natural aspect of from death to life through decomposition (as opposed to undeath or urdeath). There can be skills based on the decomposers such as maggots, flies, ants and worms.


Alternatively, Glomdoring has this aspect of survival (and thriving) at whatever the means or costs. This can be show through parasitic organisms, including creepers, lichen, moss on top of the already present Scarab. Of trees scrambling to reach above the rest for access to sunlight, but blocking those around them at the same time.

That's still irrelevant. We don't necessarily have rooms with pollen or sap dripping from the sky, either, but our druids can summon them. The fact remains that scorpions are becoming more and more essential to the Glomdoring as the Nekotai flesh out their lore, and we're not really of a mind to discard that because scorpions aren't highly visible in the forest itself.

Druids are supposed to take the entire forest into consideration, and whether scorpions are crazy ubiquitous in our lore like spiders and bats or not, they are still part of what makes up the Glomdoring. We WANT to include aspects of the Nekotai and the Harbingers in more overall Glomdoring life.

So. Move on from this and start talking about other things. Scorpions aren't something you should be worrying about.

Thank you for repeating this.

Now there's an idea. Blacktalon does have a really nice decay and "natural death" theme brewing, with the inclusion of the breath and carrion skills. Crow Himself is steeped in that sort of thing. So maybe a few skills that work from a sped up, natural decay perspective?

It'd be neat to have the BT learn some kind of natural curse that does something like that. A little like aurawarp.

You have been posting with what is apparently the Seren-centric view of "We don't really care much about Bull nor feel it is very Seren-specific, so Scorpion similarly should not have a specific place in Glomdoring". You call including scorpions 'reeking' of including Nekotai, you try to downplay the existence of any possible connection... but what you do not understand is that Glomdoring has already embraced scorpions. They are, in fact, a pretty near perfect fit for us. Silent, hidden, and dangerous. It is not really even about the Nekotai at this point, they've done well enough at it that scorpions are a 'part' of the Glomdoring (and the Nekotai as well). I do understand that some other Monk guilds have issues with their integration, but Nekotai... not so much, at this point.

So, looking at the skills and looking at what I know of Glomdoring, putting Scorpions into druidry does not feel odd. Looking at what I know of Grandmother Scorpion, on the other hand, is what would give me pause in this regard; it is not something that She would condone, I feel.

Before just rejecting ideas out of hand, you do need to consider that 'what you have heard' is not necessarily gospel, especially if you are not listening very closely. We've had any number of discussions on these forums here about Scorpions and Glomdoring at this point, heh.

If Serenwilde wanted to include Bull in their things, I have no reason to object to it on a RP basis. I do not live in Serenwilde. I do not have to figure out how it makes sense for Serenwilde to include them. As long as it makes sense from an Administrative point of view (it is something that Bull would condone) then... why not? Why does it feel weird? I apply this same reasoning to Scorpion for us; if it makes sense for us to go for it, and it makes sense for Scorpion to go along with it, what's the problem?

Edit: Druken ninja'd me pretty well there!