Again, perhaps I am being influenced because it seems that people are going for this more to making the nekotai included in the forest by including scorpions than to pushing a wedge between the Hartstone and the Blacktalon developing them more as individual entities which should be the reason behind the changes.


The impression I always seem to be left with is that Glomdoring is not supposed to put Scorpion up on a pedestal, Caerulos suggestion is actually very interesting and is apparently in tune with the blacktalon theme. For the purposes of individualisation that seems the better route.



Bulls do not actually live in Serenwilde from memory, Old Man Bull apparently used to but he went away for a while.

As has been demonstrated there are many other routes for you to chose. It is an opportunity to extend the skills and develop the abilities that crow gives his druids. It is rather confusing that you are continuing to take issue with my comments rather than praising and discussing something that could prove to be very interesting.

I think he keeps bringing it up because you keep bringing up the reasoning that it's too weird for Glomdoring.

Edit: Also, I've noticed you're quick to shoot down ideas, but you're not really adding your own ideas in. If you don't like the suggestion, suggest an alternative.

Yeah, but now it's kinda fun to see how long it's going to go on. ssshhhh

Right, D. It's also a little bonkers that someone who doesn't have any real vested interest in Glomdoring is trying really hard to speak from a place of authority about something... three or four highly knowledgeable people from Glomdoring are saying is A-OK.

To keep the thread moving, let's just say Saran's correct so we can actually discuss something else.

Edit: Oh. You're being petulant. That's adult of you.

This might be kind of random, but since salamanders are associated with fire (Gaudi ones are a specific kind, Seren's are another) maybe something like that to do with the Flame of Glinshari. It could even be a freezing flame since Seren has the whole winter thing going on (along with the other seasons, but most prominently winter).

This thread is kinda making me wish we had Old Man Rockeater instead of Old Man Bull, but whatever.

Not petulant. Just offering an opinion of an outsider who may one day look at glomdoring and consider if he wants to play there. I can say what would impress me and what would not. Caerulos suggestion is impressive, it expands upon Crow and the Blacktalon themselves in a way that is unique to them that, if done well, could be an incentive to visit and could really set them apart, doesn't that sound like a much better outcome?

That would be cute.

Good! I'm glad you're thinking into the future. Right now, though, working with current Glomdoring canon seems more appropriate than self-serving conjecture, no? Especially for the people who are currently working with the mediums we're discussing.

We both agree that Caerulo's ideas are keen, so let's talk about those some more. Other people who like scorpions will probably continue those discussions somewhere else, where they won't be dismissed by hopefuls.

The obvious solution is to add a hartstone demesne effect "freaking bull stampede". Which floods the demesne with stampeding bulls. Then both sides can have their monk animal thing tied to their druids, and everyone is happy forever.

Right?

Akui. :/

I'm a helper!

I'm actually mulling over the whole cosmic path equivalents, changing druidry seems like it would be the more difficult option with the demesne and all.

That being said, Lehki's comments at the beginning have me wondering about evolving the inherent druidry skills. Rather than adding in separate effects, it may be possible to replace the existing ones after a certain point.

Two that I could pick out are thorns and swarm, they are a little late in the skill for this sort of thing. But if a new poison or two were to be introduced, it seems easy enough to simply have a guild unique ability that adds an additional effect. As an example the thorns could become venomous, lowering damage but afflicting with a poison or the like.

There is a Old Man Rock somewhere, if I recall correctly, yes? Not quite the same though, from what I recall, it's a more Igasho kind of thing.

There is, totally not what I was talking about. But it was off-topic anyway, keeping Shofangi and HS apart is fine, the scorpion discussion just made me think of it. If you want to differentiate Serenwilde stuff, maybe bringing the whole spirit flames/faerie fire thing we have into it would work (and as mentioned, we have salamanders already.)

Rar rar derailing my thread with silly arguments about monks. Druid thread, no monks allowed! ): ((I don't really care either way about Druidry possibly connecting Scorpion/Bull/monks))

I like the thought of pulling on mainly things created by Viravain, but I think that's already pretty well covered with Murder, Spiders, and Scarab. Maybe something using bats, but can't think of anything off hand.


I don't think Swarm needs to be updated mechanically. Really, I think it's our most important demesne affect in regards to sticking sap. And Thorns is very druidry I think. Viynain has a report trying to improve it. I would say BIG no to introducing any new poisons.

Pollen on the other hand, is really only useful for Runic Druids trying to stick impatience, which I guess was okay when Runes was all we had. I would love getting that updated with something more universally useful and hopefully different for BT and Hartstone. Like my Frog thing, but switch one of the poisons with Chansu? =O



Hrm, personally I wouldn't want to go with salamanders because of the Gaudi ones, and honestly I don't really see the winter theme being pushed that much, just Asmodea. I'd also like to avoid suggesting anything that was currently unique to BT if possible, and their demesne can hit with Mactans. Something with the Flame or Glinshari could be interesting though.


Personally I don't think it has to be something worshiped. The theme I was trying to suggest was Druids pulling on the whole of the forest and the creatures that make up it's ecosystem, or " the other creatures roaming through the forest". I'd submit thornbeasts are Glom-oriented merely by the fact that they are only found in Glom. 8D

But that's just me.

We already have salamanders, and it's not just Asmodea, it's the whole Spiritsinger ancestor-y thing. And Albion, I guess.

Where are there salamanders? o,o

I've not really noticed much Wintery theme with Albion. Are her attacks cold based or something? Or does Crone fae do freeze?\\

I don't think Spiritsinger skills alone are enough to say Serenwilde has a whole winter theme going. The whole cycle is important really.

I forget... isnt the infestation message locusts? If not could totally bring in locusts to the Blacktalon meld.

Random idea.. cudgel specialization since every complains about cudgel damage based upon the different aspects.

an ominous cudgel of Black Sorrow - %asphixiation damage
an insidious cudgel of Dark Spirit - %poison damage
a randomious word cudgel of Blood Thirst - ummm chance to afflict with haemophilia?
a something cudgel of False Memory - no idea

I dont remember what the Stag ones are....

What about that little mushroom guy beneath the black tower...



Yeah, nevermind about that. Keep moving, nothing to see here.

Hey, I love mushroom man. He so angry!