Janalon2011-02-22 12:17:35
I am slowly making my crawl to demi. Right now I am hovering at 65% TNL, have two golden lips, and expect to finish this upcoming XP weekend. I'm so close I can taste it. Been glossing over Xiel's "Powers" skill page over and over and over... in anticipation of what I hope to be inevitable.
Anyway, a few questions. What powers are available to demi's? Am I able to access the Domoth powers, or are they for ascendants only? What about that veneration skillset? What might a typical demi power build look like for a monk (assuming there are enough powers to choose from)? As a lobo psymet, thinking of getting my point of constitution first.
Also would like to take advice on a second trade skill. I'm currently a lowmagic poisoner (which meshes nicely with Nekotai). Was thinking about picking up either tailoring (for splendors and a design-based trade) or herbs (mostly for herblore). Outside the economy, convenience and whatnot, which trade will give me better utility and combat potential?
Anyway, a few questions. What powers are available to demi's? Am I able to access the Domoth powers, or are they for ascendants only? What about that veneration skillset? What might a typical demi power build look like for a monk (assuming there are enough powers to choose from)? As a lobo psymet, thinking of getting my point of constitution first.
Also would like to take advice on a second trade skill. I'm currently a lowmagic poisoner (which meshes nicely with Nekotai). Was thinking about picking up either tailoring (for splendors and a design-based trade) or herbs (mostly for herblore). Outside the economy, convenience and whatnot, which trade will give me better utility and combat potential?
Ssaliss2011-02-22 12:24:00
Regarding powers, you don't have any Domoth powers available (unless you're a Vernal Demigod, but that's a rather special case). Veneration I'm not so sure about; it might be available to you if you're an Avatar, but the general Demi-population doesn't have it.
EDIT: These are the powers available to me:
EDIT: These are the powers available to me:
CODE
EndowmentOfBrawn          9                    2000000
EndowmentOfThought        9                    2000000
EndowmentOfLife            9                    2000000
EndowmentOfFortitude      9                    2000000
EndowmentOfVanity          9                    2000000              X
Refresh                    6                    1000000
DivineFire                10                  2500000
CustomZap                  10                  8000000
Seek                      8                    1000000
CustomShout                5                    8000000
ChoiceEnterMessage        2                    400000
ChoiceLookMessage          2                    400000
ChoiceTeleportMessage      2                    400000
SecondTradeskill          12                  70000000            X
Shrink                    3                    400000              X
Expand                    3                    400000
ChoiceShout                2                    400000
ChoiceZap                  5                    1000000
PlanarQuickening          3                    6000000
EndowmentOfThought        9                    2000000
EndowmentOfLife            9                    2000000
EndowmentOfFortitude      9                    2000000
EndowmentOfVanity          9                    2000000              X
Refresh                    6                    1000000
DivineFire                10                  2500000
CustomZap                  10                  8000000
Seek                      8                    1000000
CustomShout                5                    8000000
ChoiceEnterMessage        2                    400000
ChoiceLookMessage          2                    400000
ChoiceTeleportMessage      2                    400000
SecondTradeskill          12                  70000000            X
Shrink                    3                    400000              X
Expand                    3                    400000
ChoiceShout                2                    400000
ChoiceZap                  5                    1000000
PlanarQuickening          3                    6000000
Unknown2011-02-22 12:25:19
Demigods get zero access to Domoth powers. Veneration is for Avatars only. For combat, you'll want at least the stat bonuses relevant to your archetype.
Herbs is a good trade skill for not only making money but also for keeping yourself well stocked. The faster herb balance and more puffs in a pipe is kinda nice, too. Tailoring might indeed be better for you, if you need more tankiness and cannot wear standard armor.
Herbs is a good trade skill for not only making money but also for keeping yourself well stocked. The faster herb balance and more puffs in a pipe is kinda nice, too. Tailoring might indeed be better for you, if you need more tankiness and cannot wear standard armor.
Lendren2011-02-22 13:04:13
Don't get too excited about that second tradeskill just yet. It costs a lot of essence, so the minute you hit demigod, you will have another long grind, comparable to the one you're doing now, before you can even think of having the essence to spend to buy it.
Ssaliss2011-02-22 13:10:53
QUOTE (Lendren @ Feb 22 2011, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't get too excited about that second tradeskill just yet. It costs a lot of essence, so the minute you hit demigod, you will have another long grind, comparable to the one you're doing now, before you can even think of having the essence to spend to buy it.
Yeah. To compare it to aetherhunting, a gargantuan gives me about 2.5k on a turret. Influincing guards gives me roughly 1k per guard.
Unknown2011-02-22 13:13:01
Isn't 70M essence basically level 1 -> level 100 all over? 
Ssaliss2011-02-22 13:18:21
QUOTE (Alacardael! @ Feb 22 2011, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't 70M essence basically level 1 -> level 100 all over?
I heard that was 160m, but I really don't know for sure.
Aerotan2011-02-22 13:18:39
It takes a few hours with an efficient crew and Harmony to generate about 5-10Mil on dragons...
Janalon2011-02-22 19:58:33
QUOTE (Lendren @ Feb 22 2011, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't get too excited about that second tradeskill just yet. It costs a lot of essence, so the minute you hit demigod, you will have another long grind, comparable to the one you're doing now, before you can even think of having the essence to spend to buy it.
This somewhat deflated my excitement about demi. So, if I understand this correctly: I spent a tremendous amount of time (and credits, four lips worth) to grind to demi... where I then make the grind for a variety of "RP" flavoured entrance and teleport messages and stat increases? I'll never ever see any of those really cool domoth skills. And that the most exciting power, a second trade skill, is at least another year's worth of grind away?
Eh.
Unknown2011-02-22 20:14:07
Welcome to the club! Now, get back to that grindstone.
Rika2011-02-22 20:15:11
QUOTE (Janalon @ Feb 23 2011, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This somewhat deflated my excitement about demi. So, if I understand this correctly: I spent a tremendous amount of time (and credits, four lips worth) to grind to demi... where I then make the grind for a variety of "RP" flavoured entrance and teleport messages and stat increases? I'll never ever see any of those really cool domoth skills. And that the most exciting power, a second trade skill, is at least another year's worth of grind away?
Eh.
Eh.
Pretty much. Well, the last part depends on how often you got aetherhunting, but the idea is the same.
Lendren2011-02-22 20:43:40
QUOTE (Janalon @ Feb 22 2011, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This somewhat deflated my excitement about demi. So, if I understand this correctly: I spent a tremendous amount of time (and credits, four lips worth) to grind to demi... where I then make the grind for a variety of "RP" flavoured entrance and teleport messages and stat increases? I'll never ever see any of those really cool domoth skills. And that the most exciting power, a second trade skill, is at least another year's worth of grind away?
You do get a few nice things, but most of the stuff that used to make demigod worth getting got taken away in a big mixup. We wanted to have more stuff to buy, and so they took most of the stuff we already bought, put it back in the box, raised the price, and asked us to buy it again. Somewhere along the way the idea of there being new things to buy got forgotten; there were only three or four things added.
But havens is nice.
Rika2011-02-22 20:52:36
QUOTE (Lendren @ Feb 23 2011, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You do get a few nice things, but most of the stuff that used to make demigod worth getting got taken away in a big mixup. We wanted to have more stuff to buy, and so they took most of the stuff we already bought, put it back in the box, raised the price, and asked us to buy it again. Somewhere along the way the idea of there being new things to buy got forgotten; there were only three or four things added.
But havens is nice.
But havens is nice.
To be fair, it wasn't forgotten. It was just applied to a more exclusive group of people.
Arel2011-02-22 20:54:40
QUOTE (Janalon @ Feb 22 2011, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This somewhat deflated my excitement about demi. So, if I understand this correctly: I spent a tremendous amount of time (and credits, four lips worth) to grind to demi... where I then make the grind for a variety of "RP" flavoured entrance and teleport messages and stat increases? I'll never ever see any of those really cool domoth skills. And that the most exciting power, a second trade skill, is at least another year's worth of grind away?
Eh.
Eh.
Demi is still pretty cool, even if it will take some grinding to get some of the stuff. The "RP powers" don't take every long to get at all, and I think the point of having the second tradeskill cost so much is that it will motivate you to have something more to achieve. I wish we poor demis could get some of the cool domoth-associated VA powers, but I'm sure we'll get more stuff in the future!
Unknown2011-02-22 21:21:34
QUOTE (Janalon @ Feb 22 2011, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This somewhat deflated my excitement about demi. So, if I understand this correctly: I spent a tremendous amount of time (and credits, four lips worth) to grind to demi... where I then make the grind for a variety of "RP" flavoured entrance and teleport messages and stat increases? I'll never ever see any of those really cool domoth skills. And that the most exciting power, a second trade skill, is at least another year's worth of grind away?
Eh.
Eh.
Hence some of us raging against Special Little Snowflakes.
You can't even get back what you would have had, let alone play with most of the new stuff. That's less than inspiring, I know.
Really, Ascendance of any sort should be RP stuff mostly, and certainly, everyone should have the same number of weight points to play with. That is, more than what we have now. And access to the domoth powers.
The current system is just kinda... crap. Having the fun stuff and the ability to take a lot of demi powers given only to a few people is fairly obnoxious. If nothing else, they should at least let us buy demi points with credits- but I'd be far more interested in leveling things out so we don't get Special Little Snowflakes.
Janalon2011-02-25 05:12:36
... or keep the 50 point cap AND allow demi's to have access to those domoth powers. The demi / ascendent is already differentiated by points alone, so why create a deeper schism between the two with power cap and limiting power selection. Think this has already been said. Will still grind. Will wait to see what happens. Guess there are other demi skills like Havens that I am overlooking.
Arel2011-02-25 15:24:26
QUOTE (Janalon @ Feb 25 2011, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... or keep the 50 point cap AND allow demi's to have access to those domoth powers. The demi / ascendent is already differentiated by points alone, so why create a deeper schism between the two with power cap and limiting power selection. Think this has already been said. Will still grind. Will wait to see what happens. Guess there are other demi skills like Havens that I am overlooking.
I don't know that keeping the 50 point cap and opening up the ascendant powers would really solve anything, since a good deal of the interesting/useful powers are all so expensive it would preclude you from getting any other powers (judicious presence looks like the only useful one that is less than 25 weight).
Lendren2011-02-25 19:15:14
You could still buy them ephemeral. In fact, last time we had this discussion, letting demigods buy the currently-off-limits powers but only ephemeral, never supernumerary, was one of the proposals made.
Arel2011-02-25 20:18:08
QUOTE (Lendren @ Feb 25 2011, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could still buy them ephemeral. In fact, last time we had this discussion, letting demigods buy the currently-off-limits powers but only ephemeral, never supernumerary, was one of the proposals made.
That would be an enormous waste of essence to pay for what those powers cost only to lose them after a short time.
Talan2011-02-25 20:24:31
QUOTE (Arel @ Feb 25 2011, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be an enormous waste of essence to pay for what those powers cost only to lose them after a short time.
It would be necessarily rare, but I can think of several occasions where the option would be nice to have. Ascension and ascension events come to mind, and to a lesser extent, anniversary. Large scale smob raiding (hai'Gloh/xion initiative caliber things), even great hunts. It would certainly function to eat up the essence glut on the extreme high end.
