New Family Honour

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Everiine2011-07-08 01:04:37
Where Shaddus with the popcorn when you need him?
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:05:00
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Troll more please. As far as you know and knew is not what actually happened, nor did someone chime in. You can stop assuming things now.

You're the one asserting falsehood; it's something that you like to do, but there's nothing factually incorrect in the post itself.

1) As far as I knew can't be false.
2) If Eventru gave an answer on the subject, he did in fact chime in at some point... and he's definitely a Someone.
3) What assumptions?
Ixion2011-07-08 01:06:22
Chime in != stating facts in a private conversation, if you are going to use terms at least know what they mean before getting into an argument.

You assumed the only way to know is if someone "chimed in", which is false.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:12:49
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chime in != stating facts in a private conversation, if you are going to use terms at least know what they mean before getting into an argument.

Chiming in == adding to an on-going conversation, which this definitely was over the course of a few days.

I don't really care if it was a personal tell or not; it was still an addition to the on-going discussion one way or the other. I see nothing wrong with sticking to the assertion that he did chime in, private tell or not! It's certainly not 'false' either, since apparently he did.
Diamondais2011-07-08 01:15:25
Man, this is just so silly. There really is no need for this argument.
Ixion2011-07-08 01:17:33
It is, then again so is saying a term and defending its meaning erroneously.

Arel2011-07-08 01:17:39
QUOTE (diamondais @ Jul 7 2011, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, this is just so silly. There really is no need for this argument.

Your assertion is completely incorrect. There is no need for this argument, so stop lying.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:20:47
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is, then again so is saying a term and defending its meaning erroneously.

Then again, so is asserting falsehood when there is none.

So we are all in agreement.
Diamondais2011-07-08 01:20:51
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is, then again so is saying a term and defending its meaning erroneously.

No, it really isn't. What does it have to do with family honour? Absolutely nothing. If you want to argue about definitions, why not do it elsewhere? He stated what he knew, as far as he knew unless someone else had corrected it, you corrected that it had been apparently clarified and then it went on from there.

So, how about family honour? We going to see a fix to marriages? Or are they going to remain honourless?
Ixion2011-07-08 01:27:04
We all agree you made an assumption based on no facts whatsoever. You're welcome for explaining the mechanics of it as was told to me, and I'm sorry if your personal reality objects to it.

@Dylara I doubt marriages will change. You can get more in 2 hours of hunting/influencing than for a new family member joining anyway.
Diamondais2011-07-08 01:32:01
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Dylara I doubt marriages will change. You can get more in 2 hours of hunting/influencing than for a new family member joining anyway.

Didn't it used to? It is adding a new member into a family.

Edit: Especially, since you lose honour from people divorcing. I don't understand why marrying in wouldn't gain honour.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:32:29
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all agree you made an assumption based on no facts whatsoever. You're welcome for explaining the mechanics of it as was told to me, and I'm sorry if your personal reality objects to it.

@Dylara I doubt marriages will change. You can get more in 2 hours of hunting/influencing than for a new family member joining anyway.

Explaining the facts is fine! Automatically asserting falsehood when there is none is a 'personal reality' quirk of yours that pops up from time to time. I've got no issue with your explaining that something different was told to you, I have a problem with the way you did it (which was and still is incorrect).

That said; I don't really know how it can stay this way or as Shiri said, it just continues on as the previous system did (with no other family able to get it sans bugs).
Ixion2011-07-08 01:39:41
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 7 2011, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As far as I know it comes from random Envoy speculation amongst Envoys , without any comment one way or the other from higher powers . However, there has been a lot of such speculation , so it is possible Someone chimed in at some point.


Maybe 2nd time is the charm. You don't have to like the manner in which you're corrected. Simple facts are simple facts nevertheless.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:42:35
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe 2nd time is the charm. You don't have to like the manner in which you're corrected. Simple facts are simple facts nevertheless.

But I am more than able to point out that the manner is, itself, fundamentally flawed. Especially since two of your falses are to something that blatantly cannot be false, and one is based on your interpretation of a definition.

The second part of it (the fact) isn't really in dispute; it feels like it needs to be re-examined, though.
Ixion2011-07-08 01:44:27
False.

For future reference, enjoy.

Chime in
—Verb phrase
chime in,
a. to break suddenly and unwelcomely into a conversation, as to express agreement or voice an opinion.
Diamondais2011-07-08 01:45:43
QUOTE (diamondais @ Jul 7 2011, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't it used to? It is adding a new member into a family.

Edit: Especially, since you lose honour from people divorcing. I don't understand why marrying in wouldn't gain honour.

Since people here can't let something go, I'll have to post my question again.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:46:26
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For future reference, enjoy.

Chime in
—Verb phrase
chime in,
a. to break suddenly and unwelcomely into a conversation, as to express agreement or voice an opinion.

To quote Ixion:
However, there has been a lot of such speculation
^-- Ongoing conversation.

Another definition:
chime in
chime in (with something)
Fig. to add a comment to the discussion. Little Billy chimed in with a suggestion. He chimed in too late; the meeting was breaking up.
Ixion2011-07-08 01:49:39
You don't chime in with anything in a 2 person only conversation, ever- a concept you seem to be unable to wrap your head around.

From that same webpage,
Chime in
to enter a conversation, esp. by interrupting

3rd time's the trick?
As far as I know it comes from random Envoy speculation amongst Envoys , without any comment one way or the other from higher powers . However, there has been a lot of such speculation , so it is possible Someone chimed in at some point.
Xenthos2011-07-08 01:53:33
QUOTE (Ixion @ Jul 7 2011, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't chime in with anything in a 2 person only conversation, ever.

From that same webpage,
Chime in
to enter a conversation, esp. by interrupting

It has not been a two person conversation, as I mentioned in the very first post I made. It has been an ongoing one in which multiple people (including myself, yourself, and Talan) were all discussing possibilities and ramifications (such as possibly losing it from a decay tick, to which some types of families are more prone than others). Further, both words and phrases can in fact have a broader meaning than the first narrow definition that one finds.

Edit to your edit:
As far as I know it comes from random Envoy speculation amongst Envoys (False; there were indeed discussions with yourself, myself, Talan, and with others about this subject over the course of a couple of days), without any comment one way or the other from higher powers (False: This is still part of the same sentence, so to my knowledge there had not been any comment from the Admin -- there's no way for this to be incorrect!). However, there has been a lot of such speculation , so it is possible Someone chimed in at some point. (False: A less narrow definition of the phrase does in fact work-- it just happens to be one that you're excluding).
Ixion2011-07-08 01:56:49
My talk with Eventru was a 2 person discussion not on the envoy aether, wrongly assumed again, but by all means keep going.