Well, the Fire and Air plane are rather opposite to what they should be, technically Celest and Magnagora fall in the right place if it's drawn on an X. Hopefully when it comes time for more information to come out, we'll learn a little more about the formation of the Ethereal planes landmarks.

I'm not sure why, but I always got the impression that Jojobo was to the north. Not sure if I made that up, or if it's mentioned in-game somewhere, though.

I have that impression in my head as well, so maybe we did get it from somewhere.

Isn't that a manfae-made spa?

With the fae, fae-made versus naturally-occurring is largely an artificial distinction.

Im in love

So getting back to the topic on hand. I find it a bit depressing how players from now are already planning how they want Ackleberry to be in their image. This will without a doubt cause alot of drama in it, simply for those that want to pummel out any "lalala fields of happy and sweet honey everywhere" theme that was pretty obvious to go with Ackelberry from the beginning. I think Estarra even one time showed us a map of Ackelberry in an Ask Estarra, showing areas in it that are happy and sunshine. So again, to those already placing down their schemes of chainsaw bears (remember ackelberry is probably not even coming out to begin with until I think the player-base doubles), remember that the home you are dreaming to join and be part of, you will be the ones that are going to cripple it (look to Gaudiguch's player history if you want facts in this).

Also I think Jojobo isnt just a standing jungle, I see it more as a large open plains filled with wildlife. From rivers infested with hungry crocs, to jungles with rumaging monkeys and swinging apes, to raging Rhinos and prideful lions. If anything look to the Lion King movie, Jojobo all for ya (the baboon is the city tutor)!

I also agree that I really dont see much conflict reason between Ackleberry and Jojobo, if anything it is as vague (perhaps even more vague) as Gaudiguch vs Hallifax one. Sun and Lake had a yelling match, big whoop really , Dont see much reason for the "You all need to perish and be wiped off the face of lusternia". Maybe later reasons why the 2 are polar opposites can be more defined. Personally I see Sun/Jojobo vs Frost Spite/Icewynd as more sense but eh .

I once thought of the idea of just 1 commune possibly coming out, just to add alittle more diversity to the communes, but as was said, there really would be no realy rivalry for them. Estarra also once said (I think) that she always insists on a rival org for any organization made, to inspire RP conflict.

I am all for historical city/communes opening up as NPC areas that could later maybe in the future become city/communes. I once even thought of suggesting this in the Idea forums but slipped my mind back then. Would be cool to have an Icewynd area, Jojobo area, Ackleberry (maybe) area. In the areas there could even be quests that let us understand more of its histories and perhaps even let people become more closer and bonded to the place (sort of like a substitution for them never going to be in the commune).

Think that is about it...

They have since open beta, pretty much. The same with Hallifax and Gaudiguch.

I think there's hints in the histories that point to, if not a completely angry ackleberry, at least a very protective xenophobic one. So the bears and furrikin may see happy and like honey and maybe even some snuggling of furrikin by the tae-dae, the chainsaws still get broken out at any threat to the commune.

I mean, they ripped it out of time to protect it.

Also, I think some of the things the River spirit has said is pretty indicative of continuing Ackleberry v Jojobo tension, what with warnings about the forest outside the basin.

Went back and looked at the Elder Wars, Jojobo is outside the basin, but can't find anything that says in which direction. Maybe it was those guys that taught us hunting who said something about coming from the north?

Jojobo is north explanation (the best that I could find)!

From the Book of Meridian:



So, Jojobo is across/next to the Amberle Sea. But where exactly is the Amberle Sea located? I couldn't find that myself, but I did a forum search for Amberle and found an old post that said this:



So, the Amberle Sea is to the north, and since Jojobo is across/next to the Amberle Sea, Jojobo must therefore be to the north of the basin.

Interesting premise, however I suggest you go check out the northern mountains. It tells you which sea is to the north.

You also make a few other assumptions on a couple different matters without any proof (where Meridian was when he met the Fates, for example). I'd also look at where Zynna got her information, versus simply quoting her as the end-all-be-all (no offense Zynna!), as such wouldn't really fly in an academic paper (since she isn't an authority on geography!)

Not that I know where Jojobo or the Amberle are! (Or do I?)

Think the Amberle sea is what surrounds the Basin.

What's the name of the Sea that surrounds the United States?

(Geographically speaking, you'd need a mighty big sea to surround the Basin of Life completely! Compare to the Inner Sea/Sea of Despair, which are both land-locked bodies of water with no known outlet (well, okay, down into the Illwater)!)

And I'm totally going to back out before I say far more than I should.

Swear that some room descs in the mountains say overlooking the Amberle, but I could very well be misremembering.

Edit: As a slight edit, seas can also refer to an ocean name, and so long as it's a large saline body connected to an ocean it can be classified as a sea. I suppose this would also mean that the Amberle would not completely surround it, but could surround a large chunk of it so perhaps my wording of "surrounds" was a bit too expansive.

Edit2: I missed your earlier comment about the mountains pointing it towards the north.

Heh, no offense taken, but hmm... as I recall I got the information from You...

I don't see how stomping on public snuggling will kill a commune. Happy does not mean doormat, loving doesn't mean public orgy. A forest that really IS full of "snugglers", as its core theme, is doomed to perpetual failure.

Hey, it was the best I could do! (and that sea is Marne or something right?)

Snuggling won't kill the commune. The fires that Gaudiguch sets will.

I thought the focus that those who want Ackle back won't be "kill niceness" but make sure that "Good is not dumb". Keep the joyful attitude, keep the ability to appreciate your daily life. There's no problem in placing the community at the forefront.

But that does not mean that "all you need is love" should be a prevalent belief, and that everything can be solved by hugs and kisses. Essentially, Ackleberry is gonna be proof that Idealism and Realism are not neccessarily opposites.

One thing to consider is that Ackleberry might not come back to the Basin, but be on whatever continent Jojobo will eventually be. That would make more sense due to the following.

1) It gives time to explain and establish a rivalry between the two. (Perhaps Ackleberry was never "stuck in limbo" but just exists elsewhere on the world).

2) It makes more sense for the two conflicted areas to be nearer each other geographically.

3) Assuming the player base increases enough, it might make sense to finally have some people on seperate continents.