Estarra2011-05-21 18:37:03
Per my announcement, please post your constructive critiques, comments or approvals on the latest mob updates!
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For those who have followed my ustream, you know that we have been doing some under-the-hood tweaks to the mob to allow us to adjust the formula for their health, xp, influencing and gold drops.
For the past week, the envoys have been asked to gather people to test on a test server the new formulas. After some excellent feedback, we have tweaked the formulas and have now released them. Thanks goes to all the testers and a special thanks to Xenthos and Talan for their considerate and detailed analysis.
What you should expect in bashing is that some mobs will take longer to kill, especially higher level. To compensate, they should give considerably more xp and gold. The damage mobs do in combat has remained in unchanged.
Also, influencing has been adjusted so it also takes longer and you will receive more xp and even esteem. However, we've adjusted influencing so that the mobs DO give great ego damage (as influencing wasn't as challenging as we wanted it).
Unless there is something extremely wrong, I would like to test these new formula updates live for the next week. I'll start a forum thread for your feedback.
Have fun!
For the past week, the envoys have been asked to gather people to test on a test server the new formulas. After some excellent feedback, we have tweaked the formulas and have now released them. Thanks goes to all the testers and a special thanks to Xenthos and Talan for their considerate and detailed analysis.
What you should expect in bashing is that some mobs will take longer to kill, especially higher level. To compensate, they should give considerably more xp and gold. The damage mobs do in combat has remained in unchanged.
Also, influencing has been adjusted so it also takes longer and you will receive more xp and even esteem. However, we've adjusted influencing so that the mobs DO give great ego damage (as influencing wasn't as challenging as we wanted it).
Unless there is something extremely wrong, I would like to test these new formula updates live for the next week. I'll start a forum thread for your feedback.
Have fun!
Malicia2011-05-21 19:22:43
That influence change was a long time coming. And necessary. I'm curious to see how much ego damage they do now. Nice.
Unknown2011-05-21 19:24:45
The timing of the upload could have been a bit better. It's the construct change all over again. 
Otherwise didn't notice much difference for spheres.
Otherwise didn't notice much difference for spheres.
Estarra2011-05-21 19:27:26
QUOTE (Sojiro @ May 21 2011, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The timing of the upload could have been a bit better. It's the construct change all over again.
Otherwise didn't notice much difference for spheres.
Otherwise didn't notice much difference for spheres.
It was actually great timing! I didn't realize there was a raid but we couldn't test the cosmic lords on the test server because not enough people were able to log in at once, so this was actually extremely fortuitous!
Enyalida2011-05-21 19:41:27
I'm a bit miffed that this buff included things like invasion mobs, but things can be worked out, and this seems pretty needed!
Diamondais2011-05-21 19:41:55
Everything you were hoping for for the raid? 
Eventru2011-05-21 19:50:02
QUOTE (Enyalida @ May 21 2011, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a bit miffed that this buff included things like invasion mobs, but things can be worked out, and this seems pretty needed!
That's always something we can review (however their health only went up by ~25%, so not too much)
Ytran2011-05-21 19:51:28
25% is a rather large increase.
Unknown2011-05-21 19:57:37
Invasion's fine anyway, learn to defile.
Unknown2011-05-21 20:15:15
I understand you guys buffed all the cosmic/eth smobs, please don't do that. Avatars/DL's/Sups don't need more help, I assure you. Just localize it to pots and spheres, but the guardian mobs will need toning down with these changes IMO.
Estarra2011-05-21 20:20:20
QUOTE (Sojiro @ May 21 2011, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I understand you guys buffed all the cosmic/eth smobs, please don't do that. Avatars/DL's/Sups don't need more help, I assure you. Just localize it to pots and spheres, but the guardian mobs will need toning down with these changes IMO.
If you can take out the cosmic lords in under 5 minutes, then something is wrong. Before, we had seen all the supernals/demon lords fall in a matter of minutes which was one reason that prompted this overall change and that's what we are addressing on this specific change.
Unknown2011-05-21 20:34:16
But you also have to consider the effort it takes to actually do kill them as well, short of the lovely offpeak raid.
You have to trudge through distort, shrines, discretionaries, and defenders to get to a mob that has guardian mobs which pile in, hits really hard, is defended by other smobs, self-heals, and room attacks every few attacks as a trigger.
The only way to actually succeed is to get them down quickly, heh. On top of this, while the strengths of the mobs have only gone up, the rewards for them have not gone up in proportion, remaining relatively the same. Now while I'm sure most people don't do it for the power and mostly for the e-peen, it would be nice to see a more significant gain for all this toil, at least for killing demonlords/avatars/supernals.
You have to trudge through distort, shrines, discretionaries, and defenders to get to a mob that has guardian mobs which pile in, hits really hard, is defended by other smobs, self-heals, and room attacks every few attacks as a trigger.
The only way to actually succeed is to get them down quickly, heh. On top of this, while the strengths of the mobs have only gone up, the rewards for them have not gone up in proportion, remaining relatively the same. Now while I'm sure most people don't do it for the power and mostly for the e-peen, it would be nice to see a more significant gain for all this toil, at least for killing demonlords/avatars/supernals.
Daraius2011-05-21 20:35:30
Will this make lobo influencing impossible? 
Estarra2011-05-21 20:37:30
QUOTE (Sojiro @ May 21 2011, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On top of this, while the strengths of the mobs have only gone up, the rewards for them have not gone up in proportion, remaining relatively the same.
There's a huge increase in xp reward that's definitely gone up in proportion.
Estarra2011-05-21 20:37:43
QUOTE (Daraius @ May 21 2011, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Will this make lobo influencing impossible?
You tell us!
Unknown2011-05-21 20:40:51
Eh, if people wanted to go bash things for xp, it's much easier and less of a hassle to just go bash astral or aetherbash. I don't think more experience is what people go there for. Plus demis already lose 2 mil a death in enemy territory.
Lilia2011-05-21 20:41:13
It hasn't made a difference in trill influencing, that I've noticed. Except for the esteem. Oodles more esteem.
Ytran2011-05-21 20:42:13
The influencing change would only matter if you are getting "hit" back, no? So unless you lag (or are slow enough to not avoid counters (is that possible?)), I don't think it'd really be noticeable.
EDIT: Missed the "takes longer" part.
EDIT: Missed the "takes longer" part.
Rika2011-05-21 20:43:46
This probably affected amnesty influencing, which was already really hard on certain mobs for even the high end influencers. Is there any chance amnesty can be boosted a bit so it goes back to how it was?
Lilia2011-05-21 20:44:43
QUOTE (Ytran @ May 21 2011, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The influencing change would only matter if you are getting "hit" back, no? So unless you lag (or are slow enough to not avoid counters (is that possible?)), I don't think it'd really be noticeable.
I've heard a rumor that some races have such bad charisma, they think it's -normal- to get counter-attacks. How weird is that?
