@Sidd - tl;dr

You take yourself way too seriously. -Relax-.



My original point which I didn't push that much, is Gaudiguch isn't doing itself much good with this law, even though it's been out for a year. People who are able to advance aren't active enough, and combined with random pauses to favours it can be a relatively discouraging experience for the unwitting player.

It's a lot different in a guild with strong Usec activity which has been around forever and has a more "trustworthy" population. This is completed isolated to my thoughts on how Gaudiguch can be run better.

Also, I was kept into novicehood as punishment for roleplaying. But that's besides the point. I'm not saying banning favours is breaking the game, but it doesn't really help it either. Really, think about it.

What's the likelyhood that a large scale alt takeover will actually succeed and not be punished for?

It's all far too paranoid.

Somehow, I don't think that's the extent of it. Unless your role-playing was of a rather... disruptive kind, of course.

If someone is systematically keeping people in collegium or novicehood, it could border on abuse (more on the first then the second), and the Fates/Admins get REALLY angry about that. If that's really happening, I'm all with you.


As far as guildfavors go, I really think the conclusion is that guildranks and communeranks are almost totally irrelevant to gameplay (there have been several threads on how to fix that), and that making a big stink about delayed favoring is fruitless and likely to annoy everyone, and that you are blowing this out of proportion. For the most part, I don't bother rooting around for favors and haven't since my first character (who did eventually get up to GR16), because it didn't seem necessary. I understand your frustration at being 'ignored', but a far better way to solve that is to become proactive in handing out favors when you can, not complaining about it (which, no matter the intent, is what all of this comes off as).

I speak only from my experience.

I have played in Serenwilde, in the Serenguard, for almost 6 years now. I have been a guild leader of some kind for at least 4 of those (roughly). The entire time I have played, Serenwilde and the Serenguard have had the rule that favours are not given out during elections to eliminate any hint of bribery. Everyone I have spoken to thinks this is a good idea and has no trouble waiting the extra three days for their favour.

Not once has anyone told me this is an unfair rule.
Not once, to my knowledge, has anyone left because of this rule.
Not once, to my knowledge, has anyone left because they were punished for breaking this rule (and I have handed out more than a handful of disfavours for people giving favours during elections).

If your argument is your opinion, I can respect that, even though I don't agree. Since it is an IC city law, if you want it changed, it's best to take it up IC.

However, if you are stating your opinion as fact, than I have to tell you that you are wrong.

You'll have to take my word for it when I say, trust me, I know paranoid.

That rule is not paranoid.

But, I'll play devil's advocate here, since you're arguing with the whole of the forum. Lets take it as a given that you feel put upon by not being able to advance rank due to the election rule. All strawmen aside, why do you feel that this hurts you? What is it that you cannot do as a basic guild member that you could otherwise do as a higher GR that gives rise to the issue?

Is it important to your experience to read guild logs, or have voting rights? Are there non-mechanical guild rules that prevent you from doing things you would other like to do? Or is it more organic than that? Is it for the sake of rank itself, or for the sake of advancing itself? You're not a loon, so there must be something that this issue is troubling you with?

I don't personally see a problem with some favouring during elections; I do see a problem with concentrated / numerous favours, and I can easily see why some people or organizations might just put a blanket ban on it.

Elections don't last a huge amount of time, so even if they do... what's the problem? Hopefully you're sticking around the game for more than 5 days. Otherwise... well, it's really not a problem.

If someone is systematically keeping people in collegium or novicehood, it could border on abuse (more on the first then the second), and the Fates/Admins get REALLY angry about that. If that's really happening, I'm all with you.


As far as guildfavors go, I really think the conclusion is that guildranks and communeranks are almost totally irrelevant to gameplay (there have been several threads on how to fix that), and that making a big stink about delayed favoring is fruitless and likely to annoy everyone, and that you are blowing this out of proportion. For the most part, I don't bother rooting around for favors and haven't since my first character (who did eventually get up to GR16), because it didn't seem necessary. I understand your frustration at being 'ignored', but a far better way to solve that is to become proactive in handing out favors when you can, not complaining about it (which, no matter the intent, is what all of this comes off as).

If you feel this is an issue, instead of complaining, why not you work your way up in the city (once favoring happens again) and try to make a change. You will either find out that these rules are there for a reason, or you will be able to achieve some change which may be for the better. What you are doing right now is basically complaining about something even after people have pointed out lots of orgs have the reason because the system that is in place is not foolproof.

As for players policing themselves, isn't that the whole point of an organization system to begin with? To let players govern themselves. Like was said unless it goes too far, like not promoting anyone at all ever, then why not? As long as the favours are given afterwards, but it sounds like that is happening.

If you don't fancy running for a position of power, you could have taken a different approach and pointed out that you feel the voting system is flawed. Because imho the problem is not what players do, that is a reaction to where the real issue lays. And yes, it's never going to be possible to catch all "cheating", because there will always be the metagame, but there may just be something more that could be done if only an official mechanic that nobody can promote during elections.

I don't mean to say shut up about all problems, because I do think that happens too much, either due to ignorance or due to being too caught up in the status quo that speaking up would risk one to lose benefits that come with a position. But you're new in an org and attacking something without doing your homework. That's not going to score you points, or get people on your side, which is what you want if you want to make changes.

Guildrank really means absolutely nothing. The most annoying thing about going from gr19 to gr1? Losing the ability to read logs, but only because it's a habit. I was guildmaster in Hartstone, I was guildmaster in the Moondancers, I've never gotten past gr1 in the Spiritsingers. Did I care a bit in any of those situations? No. Saying you have a bunch of gr1s doesn't mean anything without context. I'm gr1 because half the GF tasks in the Spiritsingers are things I don't feel like doing over (Write a book? I've had a prestige winner and a few published, just look in the library and favour me already, etc). I was at gr19 in the other two because I won an election when I was gr3. Some people just don't feel like doing guild things.

Judging by the fact that she joined the Illuminati, harvesting flesh could be an issue.

... So you roleplay being a genetic experiment from Hallifax, and starts complaining about not being let out of novicehood? It's a perfectly reasonable response, if you ask me. And to forestall your response, if you're not complaining about it, why bring it up at all?

I don't like to post my character's roleplay in the forums because I would rather tell my story ICly than here, but,

Tetra is a genetic experiment engineered by the Institute(Ileein), and the first successful homunculus utilizing temporoharmonics and fleshpot protoplasm. She was placed as a manchurian candidate for Ambassador, brainwashed, and implanted with false memories, and re-educated. This was to see if the Collective could simulate and control artificial life, because admittedly, their natural science division is weak - and their population is dwindling.

Tetra met with Leta, who was also from Hallifax, and the Grand Cipher.

You can imagine the convoluted circumstances that come with such an elaborate character concept. They didn't want to advance me early for fear I was a spy or the Institute planted me.





1) I've been in positions of power before, and it isn't a matter of wanting to or not wanting to be in one. I'm not looking to overhaul Gaudiguch. I just want to see it be successful as an org.
2) That's exactly what I'm doing? Pointing out the system is flawed.

This has nothing to do with people liking me or getting promoted to government. Infact, I would rather not touch politics at all for a while.

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To be honest, being held back didn't really bother me. It was interesting and realistic. But, what does bother me is the cumulative attitude and lackadaisical way of going about advancement here. When I asked a Secretary to give me my exam, he pretty much said "I'm busy with something else" or "need to leave" or "I need to speak with the guild leadership before advancing you". That was the Secretary, of all people.

Obviously it did , you hated being held back from getting GR3? Really, as a Secretary if something comes up, I stall the advancement, because I... have something else I need to do.. or there is some reason I doubt the validity of advancing you. I think that going over this is getting tiresome with you continually going back on what you said earlier. All of those reasons seem valid to me. As a Secretary, you can do things differently. I don't think having slow favors is really what's hurting Gaudiguch.

Really, I hardly ever give out favors outside of preset advancement tasks, because only something really impressive deserves a major shoutout from a leader, imo. I'm happy to give out favors for things like helping in villages and so on, but that's totally at my discretion (if someone else wants to use theirs up, be my guest), and anyone demanding that I favor them is more likely to earn my ire and my disfavor. Gaudiguch needs work (from an outside perspecive, at least) but I can't help but think that it just may be the way things are run and how they will be run. At least you aren't being PURPOSEFULLY held back or barred from certain ranks (I think Magnagora does this in some cases, but it makes sense.) . If it's bothering you, request favors but know that doing so is very annoying. One thing you might do is suggest a favor nomination system, where other people can nominate for favors based on things they see. If there is a reason to not favor or advance you (I need to check with the administrator before advancing you) then it won't happen, but that's that. And... that's that. Not to attack you, but I feel that at this point you're just hanging onto the argument for the sake of hanging on.

I don't really see what made you need to post that on the forums. I agree that that should have stayed something that was only told IC.

It's also usually good to discuss something like this with the people you claimed did it OOC first >.>

Coming from the guy that is whining about having to wait a few days for GF's, I'd say it's the other way around. Your simple dismissal of my statements and the fact that you keep repeating the same things and contradicting yourself means that you are just trying not to be wrong, desperately trying. Whose taking themselves too seriously?

Simmer down.

1. The issue concerning favour restrictions is something to work out IC.

2. The underlying motives and background have been discussed enough. I am unhappy about how certain people behaved in this thread, but it's early and I am too much asleep still to figure out who deserves a warning level increase and who doesn't, so please review your own behaviour and reflect upon the world. Imagine some flowers and butterflies, I find that usually helps.

3. Request Denied. Thread Closed.