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Raeri2011-07-17 05:41:12Show/Hide

I don't think some of them accurately reflect what skills do, but are rather attached to a def-line. For example, I'm pretty sure -Magic, Resilience, etc are outside DMP from previous knowledge, and Acro elasticity only works on wounds or limbs or something of that sort.

Talan2011-07-17 05:43:44Show/Hide

An idea for bards -

Give them song effects which change or augment the damage type of the bard (Possibly allies, unsure.) Unsure if these would be best in low, mid, or high - likely high as they would impact PK in the same way tuning does.

Spiritsingers - Cold, Electric

Harbingers - Poison, Psychic

Cacophony - Excoro, Poison

Cantors - Divinus, Cold

Example - compose mySong stanza 7 imbue ScorpionSting, then when I'm playing, and not deaf, that would turn my minorsecond damage from magical source, to poison.

Possibly consider a third option for all the bard guilds, a new 'sonic' damage type.

If song effects are not welcomed, perhaps augmentation could be done to the instrument. It's the word 'tuning', it's got us bards jealous. (Perhaps it could be a tinkering thing, making it semi-permanent).

Rika2011-07-17 05:56:48Show/Hide

+1 to making tinkering worthwhile.

Unknown2011-07-17 06:00:17Show/Hide

I don't think bards are particularly lacking when it comes to damage, especially given the whole dodging/20 DMP thing, though I'm all for tinkering.

Jarael2011-07-17 06:01:29Show/Hide

At suicidal...

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SourceÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â TypeÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â DMPÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Resistance
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AcrobaticsÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ElasticityÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 20
ConsumableÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Amber MaltÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 50
RacialÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Alcohol ToleranceÂ Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 137
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 207Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ElementalÂ Â Â Â Â Â 0Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -
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ResilienceÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â CuttingÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â CuttingÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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ResilienceÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BluntÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BluntÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AsphyxiationÂ Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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ResilienceÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PoisonÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PoisonÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PsychicÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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MagicÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â MagicalÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â MagicalÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ColdÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ElectricityÂ Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â FireÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 (207)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 67%

Unknown2011-07-17 06:02:44Show/Hide

Once more I am tempted to go Celestine. Bother.

Sylphas2011-07-17 06:04:05Show/Hide

QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 17 2011, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't think bards are particularly lacking when it comes to damage, especially given the whole dodging/20 DMP thing, though I'm all for tinkering.

As jealous as I am of the new attacks, you're right, provided that magic resistance isn't scattered liberally across all the decent bashing.

And I'm still wary of taking Elasticity at face value yet; I definitely feel squishy as a bard than as a moony, and the loss of 4 dmp all shouldn't be that noticable.

EDIT: Jarael, how are you getting almost 50 more DMP than me at the same level of intoxication? Is it simply linear even within a category? I didn't realize suicidal was that broad, if so.

Nydekion2011-07-17 06:04:57Show/Hide

At one point, I was sympathetic to bards being stuck to just the magic damage type but I think between elasticity and the crazy dmp numbers that is brewmeister, I'm about to change my opinion. Heh.

Talan2011-07-17 06:05:44Show/Hide

QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 17 2011, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't think bards are particularly lacking when it comes to damage, especially given the whole dodging/20 DMP thing, though I'm all for tinkering.

I'm sorry, do we not balance at the top? Your nightkiss is 24 DMP and lasts through death. Power at defup is a nothing. We'll consider the balance made up for all the time you scream SCISSOR at 5p a go. Don't make me invoke choke, I swear to god I will. You leave acro alone you big meanie.

Edit - Also, please stop posting/heeding all these 'suicidally intoxicated' brewmeister dmps... no one actually fights at this level of drunkenness.

Rakor2011-07-17 06:17:45Show/Hide

I guess I'll 'weigh in' on brewmeisters here

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â TypeÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Base DMPÂ Â Â Â Â Â Total DMPÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Resistance
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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 217Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ElementalÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â CuttingÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 22Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 239Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 72%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BluntÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 17Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 234Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 72%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AsphyxiationÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 30Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 247Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 73%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PoisonÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 6Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 223Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 70%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â PsychicÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 227Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 71%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â MagicalÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 29Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 246Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 73%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ColdÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 30Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 247Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 73%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ElectricityÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 25Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 242Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 73%
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â FireÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 25Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 242Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 73%
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Kept drinking until a bunch of drinks made no difference

That's with kirigami, attune, devoutshield, and getting 2k damage drunk spasms with 1.1k damage vomiting, along with lots of uncon

Rakor2011-07-17 06:19:21Show/Hide

QUOTE (Talan @ Jul 17 2011, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Edit - Also, please stop posting/heeding all these 'suicidally intoxicated' brewmeister dmps... no one actually fights at this level of drunkenness.

Don't try and regulate my posting!

It's fine though, we're just outliers. clearly no one would actually try and fight like this

Hey that's interesting, amber malts are different. Here's mine

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ConsumableÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Amber MaltÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 20

and here's Jarael's

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ConsumableÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Amber MaltÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AllÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 50

Talan2011-07-17 06:28:09Show/Hide

Hey, it's weird that Crow gets no excoro damage even while they are penalized with divinus. Does Nightkiss now count as marked by dark spirit in the general scheme of penalties for dark spirit? If not, it seems weird that Night gets all the good while Crow gets all the bad.

Malarious2011-07-17 06:29:19Show/Hide

To ask this slightly differently.

1) So everyone but bards, monks, and warriors need two attacks?

2) The ones who pay 500 credits to get a damage change (but are currently forced to keep the rest) are the main ones stuck with their damage types?

3) Uh, Akyaevin and Fillin regularly outbash me, especially anywhere I lose momentum often (groups or small mobs).

Unknown2011-07-17 06:36:31Show/Hide

QUOTE (Talan @ Jul 16 2011, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sorry, do we not balance at the top? Your nightkiss is 24 DMP and lasts through death. Power at defup is a nothing. We'll consider the balance made up for all the time you scream SCISSOR at 5p a go. Don't make me invoke choke, I swear to god I will. You leave acro alone you big meanie.

Edit - Also, please stop posting/heeding all these 'suicidally intoxicated' brewmeister dmps... no one actually fights at this level of drunkenness.

Nightkiss also happens to be the trans skill, what's elasticity? Like the 2nd skill learned? You're right though, that power at defup is nothing, but you know what's even less than nothing? No power lost to put up 20 dmp. Night/Moon has had its offensive buffs rejected in the past specifically because of its great defense in the form of DMP, but Acro apparently has just as great defense along with awesome moves like contort, dodging, somersault, hyper, scissor, and so on.

And while I do agree that no one will actually fight while suicidally intoxicated, the fact that it can be done is something to consider. I'd be interested in seeing a fully deffed up bard with devoutshield, origami, attune, splendours, and a light buzz in drunkenness (for the beers) though, which is far more likely to be seen. Since we're balancing for the top.

Malarious2011-07-17 06:39:57Show/Hide

QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 17 2011, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nightkiss also happens to be the trans skill, what's elasticity? Like the 2nd skill learned? You're right though, that power at defup is nothing, but you know what's even less than nothing? No power lost to put up 20 dmp. Night/Moon has had its offensive buffs rejected in the past specifically because of its great defense in the form of DMP, but Acro apparently has just as defense along with great moves like contort, dodging, somersault, hyper, scissor, and so on.

And while I do agree that no one will actually fight while suicidally intoxicated, the fact that it can be done is something to consider. I'd be interested in seeing a fully deffed up bard with devoutshield, origami, attune, splendours, and a light buzz in drunkenness (for the beers) though, which is far more likely to be seen. Since we're balancing for the top.

Elasticity is not currently a bug?

Although to be honest I think that is most all the dmp most monks get (dont say psymet, or they wouldnt have elasticity).

Jack2011-07-17 06:40:24Show/Hide

QUOTE (Rakor @ Jul 17 2011, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

'weigh in'

hurrr

Xenthos2011-07-17 06:41:42Show/Hide

QUOTE (Malarious @ Jul 17 2011, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Elasticity is not currently a bug?

Although to be honest I think that is most all the dmp most monks get (dont say psymet, or they wouldnt have elasticity).

That's more than Crow gets!

I'm looking at some of the 'all' defenses that are in these other guilds and just can't help but shake my head when people are like, 'woe poor us, we just have 20 dmp to all.'

Unknown2011-07-17 06:43:22Show/Hide

QUOTE (Malarious @ Jul 16 2011, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Elasticity is not currently a bug?

Although to be honest I think that is most all the dmp most monks get (dont say psymet, or they wouldnt have elasticity).

I'm inclined to believe it isn't since it's been so long and the AB does say just 20 DMP.

And really, since we have bodyscan, everyone should put up their bodyscans as best as they can manage and put their proverbial money where their mouth is. I'd love to be proven wrong and see that those poor monks and bards really have almost druid-like DMP.

Edit: Also I want to see what tattoo monks get too, along with regular splendour monks.

vorld2011-07-17 06:50:43Show/Hide

QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 17 2011, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm inclined to believe it isn't since it's been so long and the AB does say just 20 DMP.

And really, since we have bodyscan, everyone should put up their bodyscans as best as they can manage and put their proverbial money where their mouth is. I'd love to be proven wrong and see that those poor monks and bards really have almost druid-like DMP.

Edit: Also I want to see what tattoo monks get too, along with regular splendour monks.

Here's my tat monk undeffed

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Source Type DMP Resistance
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All 0 -

Elemental 0 -

Resilience Cutting 12
Tattoo Cutting 20
Cutting 32 (32) 26%

Resilience Blunt 12
Tattoo Blunt 20
Blunt 32 (32) 26%

Asphyxiation 0 (0) 0%

Resilience Poison 6
Poison 6 (6) 6%

Psychic 0 (0) 0%

Magic Magical 4
Tattoo Magical 20
Magical 24 (24) 22%

Cold 0 (0) 0%

Electricity 0 (0) 0%

Fire 0 (0) 0%
Trans reslience and tattoos. don't know where the 4 magic comes from

Unknown2011-07-17 06:51:41Show/Hide

Oh god courier new in code boxes please.

Also are you transed out and such, there's not much point if you aren't.

Bodyscan, new damage, etc.

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