This is the Matrix. Threads don't get viewed, only replied to. (No clue what that even means, my head hurts.)

As a newcomer to the game it appears that I have by chance picked one of the stronger cities...glomdoring. Magnagora did seem very interesting but reminded me too much of the militaristic style of Mhaldor from Achaea. Too much death and carnage...yada yada yada...

The classes of Magnagora do seem very interesting though and if I did make an alt it would go to that city. Keep up the interesting work!

P.s....that was my attempt at keeping the thread open....

I think one of the larger problems Magnagora faced - especially in the early days - was the preconceptions of previous IRE players. Flavour-wise, they have little in common with Mhaldor: but because new players join up with that assumption they end up shaping the org, consciously or otherwise, into something increasingly Mhaldor-esque. (Serenwilde had a similar problem when they were the only commune, with forestal rejects from Achaea joining up under the assumption it would be Oakstone pt 2.) Frankly, I see Glomdoring as the more nihilistic, stereotypically "evil" organization; and Magnagora more as a jack-of-all-trades group of ostracized outcasts and mutants.

This! Glomdoring gives me that sort of "zerg", "for the Swarm Glomdoring" feeling. Magnagora feels somewhat like a mix between Technologic and Da Funk.

I wanted to be a cool kid and put spoilers in my post too.

None of them want Celest's 2s shield.

Anyone else remember the good old days?

"Lich is OP!"
"Well, Trueheal is worse!"
"But you have Ghost, too!"
"Pfft, what about Resurrect?"
"Geo demesne rapes everyone!"
"Dilute rapes everyone's vials!"

"THUNDERCLAP"
"Wisp!"
"Totems!"
"Statues!"

Haha, the entire upper echelons of Magnagora once threatened to quit en-masse if spores weren't nerfed. (To their credit, it worked.)

I see what you did there.

Maybe we should organize our quitting rather than just...quitting. (Yes, I'd say it's getting to that point.)


@Xenthos: My personal opinion in the matter is just that people are tired of the BS of the landscape. Ranging from apathy to Hoaracle declaring that his order not help defend mag to admin/envoy bs. For me, it's mostly the final thing I mentioned. Why? Because it amazes me at the large disconnect between players and admins and the ridiculous things people comment. Ignorance runs abound everywhere, but it seems that the majority of "arguments" that get things passed are touchy-feely or distractions from real argumentation.

Right now, I'm pro an en-masse exodus from combat entirely.

Be as it may, Eventru or Estarra will come through, pick up on this line or something else and dismiss everything I had to say without giving further thought to the fact that, despite my poor presentation and mood, there are actually problems.

Teah, I still feel a big disconnect on certain issues. Some issues feel like the admins just don't get where we are coming from, and things that seem absolutely obvious to players just doesn't occur to admins (not necessarily their fault). My poster-child issue for this is the Lusternian economy and the way it seems that most trade updates are implemented, taking into account an economic model that just isn't the reality for lusternian tradespeople.

On a separate note: I wish I could help resolve the Hoaracle thing IC, but IC he's absent, which puts a big damper on that. I've started going around IC pointing out that we do a lot more for our IC gods then they do for us. I heard that last time there was an IC revolt against the gods, the gods in their admin capacity came down hard on it, which... I don't like at all. I really (really) wish there was more room for separation of god and country, like CL's being able to perform marriages and nations not being arbitrarily constrained by the whim of their patron.

I actually don't have a problem with that, since it's actually reasonable. But the other two, yeah. Apathy is rampant, and while I don't necessarily have a beef with the Lusternia admin, the IRE corporate monstrosity is completely off-putting.

Eh, the way he explains it (or his order members do) makes no sense. It's something to hash out IC, and I'm totally fine doing so, I've got entire speeches more or less written out on the subject.

Except for the website (Which I just feel is badly designed, I'm okay with the promotional stuff for the most part), I don't have a huge issue with a lot f the IRE sourced stuff. I think that the big emphasis lately on creating alts is misplaced, but it's not particularly hard to figure out who is the alt of who with a little thinking, and it's not like there weren't alts before. I just feel that (even if it's in no way true) a lot of changes that roll through seem to be lacking crucial elements of thought. They are usually pretty awesome, great ideas, but they also usually seem to have a big glaring flaw in execution. Things like that (usually) get fixed, though not always fast, and not always in a way that doesn't bring up more issues, or make it so that older issues get pushed back again. For the most part, the admins are pretty good about not screwing things up, but it seems like an inordinate amount of time is spent on things that (from what I hear from my family IC and OOC, and my guild, same) aren't as big of issues, while other things get passed over.

It's reasonable until you look at how it hurts Serenwilde and the alliance. It's essentially asking for Mag to help you guys without having anything in return. I'll admit, I was angry the last time we defended EtherSeren. The response I got was: I don't care if they won't help us, I want bloodshed.

As someone in Hoaracle's order, I find it really stupid how Hoaracle wants to limit who we want to defend. It's just one of those examples of the modern climate needing to have a bigger effect on decision making than what historical RP dictates.

There is no doubt that he has plenty of reason for us to want to kill all of Magnagora instead, but this isn't an ideal world. This really reminds me of the Serenwilde in general to be honest.

Did you know you don't have to be part of Hoaracle's order to part of Serenwilde.

That really is just another can of worms no one really wants to open.

Idea: Change to a different Patron.

I mean, that won't exactly encourage Hoaracle to positive things for Serenwilde, but it sounds like you don't really want him involved anyways ('cause doing the kind of thing you're doing is basically saying 'we don't want you, go away' to a God).

It's pretty darned rude, and unappreciative, really. The only time I've done it was when we had that faux-Viravain who was going around trying to 'seduce' everyone in Magnagora because that was nuts. I'm not sure that saying "people in my order shouldn't do X Y and Z" is on the same level... since you have a choice of not being in the Order, even if such is supposedly a can of worms.

Gods have done this kind of thing with their orders all the time, in terms of restrictions leveled that are not Commune / City wide.

I never really got why people are so reluctant to get involved in intra-organizational theological disputes. It's not like Hoaracle is going to get up and leave the forest if you all tell him that you're not going to do what he wants with regards to Magnagora.